French police nab cannonball run drivers.
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road angel a said:
Gosh what a miserable bunch you lot are, putting other people's lives under so much scrutiny!
That's partly the point Arabella, we are not putting people's lives under scrutiny - those people's lives are being shoved in our faces (by the media/web -and not in a positive way- who cover the antics in all their 'glory') when they take part in these events.
As I said, as a consequence we're all being targetted as a result.
stig said:
road angel a said:
Gosh what a miserable bunch you lot are, putting other people's lives under so much scrutiny!
That's partly the point Arabella, we are not putting people's lives under scrutiny - those people's lives are being shoved in our faces (by the media/web -and not in a positive way- who cover the antics in all their 'glory') when they take part in these events.
As I said, as a consequence we're all being targetted as a result.
All bad news in this country is shoved in one's face, Stig. That is your choice whether to absorb hype or not. Go and do something useful about it such as lobby parliament to get them banned if you feel so strongly about it.
Chris71 said:
Did you mean to type 30,000 euros?!?!?
I got caught in Belgium (admittedly only 20kph or so over the limit...) and got off with a 50 euro fine. Wasn't ammused at the number of Belgian cars going passed me unhindered though! Noticed we weren't the only UK numberplate on his list.
I got caught in Belgium (admittedly only 20kph or so over the limit...) and got off with a 50 euro fine. Wasn't ammused at the number of Belgian cars going passed me unhindered though! Noticed we weren't the only UK numberplate on his list.
Yes. A Belgian too... something to do with along the lines of your salary etc...
stig said:
As I said, as a consequence we're all being targetted as a result.
I disagree. The french brought in their intolerance of speeding some time back, and is completely unrelated to any xxxxball event(where only a small percentage of participants will be actually illegally "racing"
. road angel a said:
stig said:
As I said, as a consequence we're all being targetted as a result.
I disagree. The french brought in their intolerance of speeding some time back, and is completely unrelated to any xxxxball event(where only a small percentage of participants will be actually illegally "racing"
. You won't be happy till 'the enforcers' eventually (and sadly) amplify 'our concerns and point of view' into hard-hitting law; by drafting draconian legislation along the lines of what has previously been mentioned. Just about every reply you have given has ducked or avoided the perfectly understandable arguments put to you, with an almost banal ‘I don’t agree’ response; the best you have offered up is inverse-logic along the lines of 'prove it', 'demonstrate to me', etc. you accuse us of effectively preaching from our ivory towers while you sit behind your portcullis of blissful ignorance, or wanting to spoil your fun, that couldn’t be any further from the truth. We don’t want you to spoil OUR FUN, geddit?
Most of what you have said in terms of argument has been weasel words that have unravelled along the way, clutching at straws of denial and eventually coming to nowhere-to-hide admissions.
Knock it off with the, ‘we raised less than we burned on petrol for charity’ nonsense. It won't wash, and your beginning to sound like a particular 'posh bird' that once remarked to me around the time of Live Aid 1, "I don't mind going to Africa to help those starving children; just as long as I can do it my Harvey-Nicks frocks' Nice girl, but just stupid.
You say “Surely there are other ways to stop this rather than just simply banning any such events all together? Or are you suggesting that is the only way?”
Yes there are alternatives:
Remove the look-at-me-stickers, drop the publicity/revenue generating media. Stop heralding and congratulating the hard-shoulder heroes (and don’t pretend you haven’t whooped or cooed at this around the party table...). Stop having outright contempt for Eurocops, and their sensibilities and the people that pay their salaries. Stop paying (and encouraging more)the ligging ‘celebrity impresarios’ money to encourage these chav-in-dinner-jacket roadshows.
Do your own ‘private’ tours/hoons with friends, or would that simply remove the seemingly irresistible appeal of being gawped, videoed and photographed at while you get to have a z-list celebrity experience? Nobody really benefits in any meaningful way from this nonsense, save for a number of massaged egos, and a slightly richer organiser; and as has been painfully pointed out to you, we will all suffer in the end, and you, like us, won’t get to go on your road-going ‘adventures’ in almost any sense. Stop deluding yourself that we are a bunch of bullies or spoilsports, you are essentialy our nemesis-in-waiting; so don't expect an easy ride. Whatever way you choose to look at it, that is the main argument against your exploits, and eventually there will only be one outcome.
Edited by police state on Friday 14th July 17:24
I don't think for one minute that these events are leading to a European clampdown on speeding. The respective governments see speed related crime as a)Easy revenue & b) Safety concious politics.
Personaly speaking, getting an identifiable, (stickered up), crowd of sportscars and party minded people together for a week sounds like great fun.
We all like to have our P & J's admired, what's the problem?
Dangerous driving is a different matter, but then it's a different subject.
Lighten up guys
Personaly speaking, getting an identifiable, (stickered up), crowd of sportscars and party minded people together for a week sounds like great fun.
We all like to have our P & J's admired, what's the problem?
Dangerous driving is a different matter, but then it's a different subject.
Lighten up guys
road angel a said:
stig said:
road angel a said:
Gosh what a miserable bunch you lot are, putting other people's lives under so much scrutiny!
That's partly the point Arabella, we are not putting people's lives under scrutiny - those people's lives are being shoved in our faces (by the media/web -and not in a positive way- who cover the antics in all their 'glory') when they take part in these events.
As I said, as a consequence we're all being targetted as a result.
All bad news in this country is shoved in one's face, Stig. That is your choice whether to absorb hype or not. Go and do something useful about it such as lobby parliament to get them banned if you feel so strongly about it.
I think there's a rather large difference between 'hype' and unequivocable evidence of hooligan driving that are shown in the various 'ballers videos.
Interesting that you were quick to react to people getting aggressive here, I have tried to put forward reasonable arguments and yet I find you lashing out quite readily....
I don't want the events to be banned, I'd just rather the participants behaved rather more responsibly so that we don't all have to face the inevitable over-reaction by Europe's police forces (as we are already seeing).
Oh, by the way, a fellow Ultima owner is on the Cannonball at the moment and has just posted on our forum about his 'run in with the rozzers'. Perhaps we should prepare some sort of rosette for him?
Then again, maybe they just stopped him to congratulate him on his exemplary driving.
Somehow, I doubt it.
road angel a said:
stig said:
As I said, as a consequence we're all being targetted as a result.
I disagree. The french brought in their intolerance of speeding some time back, and is completely unrelated to any xxxxball event(where only a small percentage of participants will be actually illegally "racing"
. So a small percentage are racing then? I thought that wasn't the point or even allowed by the organisers....?
micky g said:
I don't think for one minute that these events are leading to a European clampdown on speeding. The respective governments see speed related crime as a)Easy revenue & b) Safety concious politics.
Personaly speaking, getting an identifiable, (stickered up), crowd of sportscars and party minded people together for a week sounds like great fun.
We all like to have our P & J's admired, what's the problem?
Dangerous driving is a different matter, but then it's a different subject.
Lighten up guys
The problem is when the party-minded mental midgets have their party on the public roads. Personaly speaking, getting an identifiable, (stickered up), crowd of sportscars and party minded people together for a week sounds like great fun.
We all like to have our P & J's admired, what's the problem?
Dangerous driving is a different matter, but then it's a different subject.
Lighten up guys
You may be right that these events have no influence on Continental authorities' attitudes towards making progress. That is something that we may never know. What we do know is that these events cannot possibly enlighten and moderate the authorities' attitudes or make anything better.
Regardless of whether their disgraceful driving influences the authorities, I for one don't want these pathetic hard-shoulder fcukwits on the same roads as I am on, and I certainly don't want them floundering around on the same roads with cars carrying innocent families and especially children who are simply trying to live their lives in their home country.
nel said:
One fezza at 240 kph, the other a Porsche at 195 kph. Drivers locked up while the administration creaks into gear and decides what to do with them. Apparently they are considering trying to make a charge of damgerous driving stick, so that they can confiscate the cars and then sell them for benefit of the state.
I can't be arsed to read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been asked: How does one go about bidding for these cars if they're confiscated - I could get myself a bargain or two?
flemke said:
Regardless of whether their disgraceful driving influences the authorities, I for one don't want these pathetic hard-shoulder fcukwits on the same roads as I am on, and I certainly don't want them floundering around on the same roads with cars carrying innocent families and especially children who are simply trying to live their lives in their home country.
Flemke,
I did state that I felt dangerous driving was a different subject.
I have no objection to people enjoying and showing off their cars.
micky g said:
I did state that I felt dangerous driving was a different subject.
I have no objection to people enjoying and showing off their cars.
As police state and others have said, however, one has the distinct sense that these events are essentially about having the party on the road. Glorifying the horrific driving by publishing examples of it on the internet makes it clear that at least some of the participants in these affairs are clueless idiots who don't know the difference between a steering wheel and a roulette wheel.
I quite agree - it's great that someone wants to show off his car. I just don't want these untalented losers showing off in their cars.
Cheers.
I can remember seeing the cannonball event being covered by ruby Wax a few years ago.
At first watching that show I was so excited watching all these high performance cars being on show and driven, especially Damon Hill in the Diablo. However as the show went on I began to think more and more, "a lot of these guys are knobs". O/taking on hard shoulders, clearly paying more attention to who was watching them than what they were watching and generally forgetting what to me is the golden rule of road driving 'Being Safe'.
I am not an anti fun or fast cars person, I spend most of my time on the open road at a speed that may be above the limit and I take great joy in the fact that my Dad saved for ages to buy a ferrari. The thing is though the more I see these kind of events the more I get the feeling that the participants are not into cars or keen road driving but, simply getting adrenilan rushes at any cost.
And as was seen on that early cannonball coverage that cost was often other peoples safety.
Anyone remember the big, rich german with the AMG S-Class? head on collision with someone unconnected to the event and all he was bothered about was the fact that he didn't finish the event.
At first watching that show I was so excited watching all these high performance cars being on show and driven, especially Damon Hill in the Diablo. However as the show went on I began to think more and more, "a lot of these guys are knobs". O/taking on hard shoulders, clearly paying more attention to who was watching them than what they were watching and generally forgetting what to me is the golden rule of road driving 'Being Safe'.
I am not an anti fun or fast cars person, I spend most of my time on the open road at a speed that may be above the limit and I take great joy in the fact that my Dad saved for ages to buy a ferrari. The thing is though the more I see these kind of events the more I get the feeling that the participants are not into cars or keen road driving but, simply getting adrenilan rushes at any cost.
And as was seen on that early cannonball coverage that cost was often other peoples safety.
Anyone remember the big, rich german with the AMG S-Class? head on collision with someone unconnected to the event and all he was bothered about was the fact that he didn't finish the event.
KB_S1 said:
I can remember seeing the cannonball event being covered by ruby Wax a few years ago.
At first watching that show I was so excited watching all these high performance cars being on show and driven, especially Damon Hill in the Diablo. However as the show went on I began to think more and more, "a lot of these guys are knobs". O/taking on hard shoulders, clearly paying more attention to who was watching them than what they were watching and generally forgetting what to me is the golden rule of road driving 'Being Safe'.
I am not an anti fun or fast cars person, I spend most of my time on the open road at a speed that may be above the limit and I take great joy in the fact that my Dad saved for ages to buy a ferrari. The thing is though the more I see these kind of events the more I get the feeling that the participants are not into cars or keen road driving but, simply getting adrenilan rushes at any cost.
And as was seen on that early cannonball coverage that cost was often other peoples safety.
Anyone remember the big, rich german with the AMG S-Class? head on collision with someone unconnected to the event and all he was bothered about was the fact that he didn't finish the event.
At first watching that show I was so excited watching all these high performance cars being on show and driven, especially Damon Hill in the Diablo. However as the show went on I began to think more and more, "a lot of these guys are knobs". O/taking on hard shoulders, clearly paying more attention to who was watching them than what they were watching and generally forgetting what to me is the golden rule of road driving 'Being Safe'.
I am not an anti fun or fast cars person, I spend most of my time on the open road at a speed that may be above the limit and I take great joy in the fact that my Dad saved for ages to buy a ferrari. The thing is though the more I see these kind of events the more I get the feeling that the participants are not into cars or keen road driving but, simply getting adrenilan rushes at any cost.
And as was seen on that early cannonball coverage that cost was often other peoples safety.
Anyone remember the big, rich german with the AMG S-Class? head on collision with someone unconnected to the event and all he was bothered about was the fact that he didn't finish the event.
it was gumball.
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