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Because the cars it beat didnt have parts removed and I wonder how many have been sold without a rear wing.. Pretty obvious really..
Ultima GTR: 9.9secs @143mph
Ferrari Enzo: 11.1secs@133mph
Porsche Carrera GT: 11.3secs@131mph
McLaren F1: 11.6secs@125mph
Saleen S7: 11.8secs@119mph
Porsche Ruf R Turbo: 11.9secs@122mph
Lamborghini Murcielago: 12.0secs@121mph
Ford GT40: 12.2secs@121mph
Lamborghini Gallardo: 12.3secs@117mph
Porsche 996 Turbo: 12.4secs@115mph
Porsche 911 GT3: 12.4secs@113mph
Ferrari 360: 12.9secs@110mph
Corvette C5: 13.4secs@107mph
Honda NSX: 13.4secs@105mph
Porsche Boxster S: 14.2secs@99mph
It would be the car I would buy if I could afford to run a second car for the track so I am not knocking it...
Ultima GTR: 9.9secs @143mph
Ferrari Enzo: 11.1secs@133mph
Porsche Carrera GT: 11.3secs@131mph
McLaren F1: 11.6secs@125mph
Saleen S7: 11.8secs@119mph
Porsche Ruf R Turbo: 11.9secs@122mph
Lamborghini Murcielago: 12.0secs@121mph
Ford GT40: 12.2secs@121mph
Lamborghini Gallardo: 12.3secs@117mph
Porsche 996 Turbo: 12.4secs@115mph
Porsche 911 GT3: 12.4secs@113mph
Ferrari 360: 12.9secs@110mph
Corvette C5: 13.4secs@107mph
Honda NSX: 13.4secs@105mph
Porsche Boxster S: 14.2secs@99mph
It would be the car I would buy if I could afford to run a second car for the track so I am not knocking it...
moleamol said:
I think you'll find no-one 'pointed out' that it had its wing removed. Someone just inferred it and then failed to provide any evidence that it actually did.
I'm not bothered either way, great achievement however you do it (and great traction off the line),but for completeness, all 4 vids on the Ultima site show the wing removed.
timsta said:
Quite a few actually. When I buy mine I won't be getting the wing.
I stand corrected
moleamol said:
I think you'll find no-one 'pointed out' that it had its wing removed. Someone just inferred it and then failed to provide any evidence that it actually did.
kingb said:
if you look at the pic in the article it has its wing intact so where this rumour came from i dont know. but its not the only car to do this the veyrons spoiler also goes up and down but nobody argues about it
The press shots have the wing, the videos and photos of run dont..
www.ultimasports.co.uk/records/part7.html
stig said:
Errr... check your facts.
Ultima did not 'refuse' to take part, they were invited but asked for the test to be done 0-150. The other manufacturers veto'd it (probably on the basis that at least 2 would struggle to even get to 150!), so Ultima withdrew.
So.....reading your 'facts'.
Ultima told the Sunday Times do the challenge 'we' want or we're not playing?
From what I've heard they also refused to enter Autocar's 0-100-0 challenge last year when they found out which other Supercars were showing. A can't see why they'd be scared as their recent performances demonstrate. Is there some conspiracy as they seem to be shunned by Autocar, TopGear etc?
Ultima are also very selective in their advertising in which cars they compare their performance to. In their advertising there's no mention of Atoms or Caterhams in the list of 0-100 or 1/4 mile 'rival' cars, despite a Stock Atom 300 being able to run 10.8s quarters out the box and 6.8s 0-100.
Walton said:
stig said:
Errr... check your facts.
Ultima did not 'refuse' to take part, they were invited but asked for the test to be done 0-150. The other manufacturers veto'd it (probably on the basis that at least 2 would struggle to even get to 150!), so Ultima withdrew.
So.....reading your 'facts'.
Ultima told the Sunday Times do the challenge 'we' want or we're not playing?
From what I've heard they also refused to enter Autocar's 0-100-0 challenge last year when they found out which other Supercars were showing. A can't see why they'd be scared as their recent performances demonstrate. Is there some conspiracy as they seem to be shunned by Autocar, TopGear etc?
Ultima are also very selective in their advertising in which cars they compare their performance to. In their advertising there's no mention of Atoms or Caterhams in the list of 0-100 or 1/4 mile 'rival' cars, despite a Stock Atom 300 being able to run 10.8s quarters out the box and 6.8s 0-100.
Not wishing to get into a war of words, but regardless, of their reasons for not attending the Sunday Times test (and I think this had more to do with some of the entrants not being able to do 150+), the GTR times are 'official' and are therefore, record holding.
I don't believe that they were invited to enter the Autocar 0-100-0, as Autocar don't consider them as a 'production' car per-se (which is ironic as they let Caterham do it and they're available as home build or factory build).
As for the selective advertising, I think you'll find that the cars it's compared against are those that Ultima considers as direct competitors. The packaging of a Caterham or Atom is completely different. Besides, it doesn't really matter does it, as the 'out of the box' GTR720 demolishes them performance wise too!?
Edited by stig on Thursday 22 June 15:31
I'd geniuinely love to see some comparison track tests - as I've heard conflicting reports from trackdays.
Cars like this are about much more than acceleration. Ultima need to show it's not a one-trick pony.
The Nurburgring would flatter it very nicely with those huge power figures, but how would it comapre to other machinary on short-circuits? Could it really out perform GT supercars on a tiny fraction of the development budget - and would it have the measure of ultra leightweight track cars like Caterfield superlights and Atoms?
Walton said:
I'd geniuinely love to see some comparison track tests - as I've heard conflicting reports from trackdays.
Cars like this are about much more than acceleration. Ultima need to show it's not a one-trick pony.
The Nurburgring would flatter it very nicely with those huge power figures, but how would it comapre to other machinary on short-circuits? Could it really out perform GT supercars on a tiny fraction of the development budget - and would it have the measure of ultra leightweight track cars like Caterfield superlights and Atoms?
They are pretty slow around a track,trust me!!!
Evening all,
I think it would be great to see the Ultima up against other supercars at Le Mans or similar endurance race. I doubt they have the budget.
I've often daydreamed about the days gone by where people had a chance of "running what ya brung". That probably ended in the 50's I expect?
I don't see that any of the current categories in Le Mans even slightly resemble road cars anymore, the production GT type class (don't know the name) seems to see all road GT cars heavily modded with ground dynamics type stuff and extreme lowering, not to mention lightweight bodywork.
I think it would be great to see the Ultima up against other supercars at Le Mans or similar endurance race. I doubt they have the budget.
I've often daydreamed about the days gone by where people had a chance of "running what ya brung". That probably ended in the 50's I expect?
I don't see that any of the current categories in Le Mans even slightly resemble road cars anymore, the production GT type class (don't know the name) seems to see all road GT cars heavily modded with ground dynamics type stuff and extreme lowering, not to mention lightweight bodywork.
RobGTO said:
Ultima dont need to show its a one trick pony, its got plenty of data proving cornering, braking, accelerating - what else do you want from a car?
I love Ultima !
I love Ultima !
How about handling
A Maximum constant g-force on a skid-pad is not the same thing. Any car can slap huge tyres on and pull huge constant 'g'!
Roll on some proper track tests.
Edited by Walton on Thursday 22 June 21:42
Walton said:
How about handling
A Maximum constant g-force on a skid-pad is not the same thing. Any car can slap huge tyres on and pull huge constant 'g'!
Roll on some proper track tests.
A Maximum constant g-force on a skid-pad is not the same thing. Any car can slap huge tyres on and pull huge constant 'g'!
Roll on some proper track tests.
I know you have an Atom, and really want the Ultima to not be as good. But is the Atom not a one trick pony in itself? Don't get me wrong, I love the Atom, but do you really think it can do all that the Ultima does? As well as the Ultima does it? I doubt it.
[/quote] How about handling
A Maximum constant g-force on a skid-pad is not the same thing. Any car can slap huge tyres on and pull huge constant 'g'!
Roll on some proper track tests.
Edited by Walton on Thursday 22 June 21:42
[/quote] The Atom may well be better than the Ultima in one or indeed some areas but it wont be by much and it wont be overall.Just remember,as long as there is competition,there will be a winner.Ultima rules! Edited by GTWayne on Friday 23 June 07:32
UFO 2 NOB said:
Walton said:
I'd geniuinely love to see some comparison track tests - as I've heard conflicting reports from trackdays.
Cars like this are about much more than acceleration. Ultima need to show it's not a one-trick pony.
The Nurburgring would flatter it very nicely with those huge power figures, but how would it comapre to other machinary on short-circuits? Could it really out perform GT supercars on a tiny fraction of the development budget - and would it have the measure of ultra leightweight track cars like Caterfield superlights and Atoms?
They are pretty slow around a track,trust me!!!
I'd say that's really dependent on the driver. Have you seen my Snetterton video?
www.pistonheads.tv/clip750
Not wishing to sound immodest, but I was only driving at about 7/10ths.
Or have a look at this instead: www.ultimacars.com/video/ultima17.mpg
Edited by stig on Friday 23 June 09:18
moleamol said:
I know you have an Atom, and really want the Ultima to not be as good. But is the Atom not a one trick pony in itself? Don't get me wrong, I love the Atom, but do you really think it can do all that the Ultima does? As well as the Ultima does it? I doubt it.
Yes the Atom is a one-trick-pony - It's extremely fast through twisty bits of smooth road/track, and provides huge fun whilst doing so.
I'm sure the Ultima does a broader range of things better than the Atom, that's the difference between a GT car and a lightweight track-car.
My point is that despite all the tests and obsessive measuring and record-breaking Ultima seem to totally neglect any real-world handling testing. I've never ever seen an Ultima tested 'against' anything EVER.
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