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I'm a fan! Did you the US show when they turned a 2003 Toyota Celica into a Jet Car? (Didn’t? then 'ave a butcher’s on 'ere www.suprnova.org) $20,000 well spent.
I'm not a great fan of the Europa. BUT, chopping one up for a TV show!!! Thats criminal. And to excuse it by saying that it was saved from being in all probability written off by a young lad is drivel. Does anyone know a young lad with a classic Europa? Ever HEARD of ANY young lads with Europa's??? It would eventually have been saved and restored. Instead its met a very undignified end. Sad.
FourWheelDrift said:
He makes modified cars for a living for film & TV. www.cummfybanana.com/
Top Speed: 87mph, Guinness World Record for 'Fastest Furniture'!
He must be nuts what i meant was the Europa is now in a museum; which let's face it is a much safer place away from the loonies on the road.. and it is the only Lotus hovercraft that works (as far as I know)!
Don't take things so literally!!!!
Interesting forum on old hook man BTW! Glad to see I am not the only person irritated by this!!
Don't take things so literally!!!!
Interesting forum on old hook man BTW! Glad to see I am not the only person irritated by this!!
Alpineandy said:No, you clearly don't know much about them, as for landmarks, The alpine was the first convertable to be made using a monocoque construction, AFAIK. I can go on at lentgh about Rootes group technology certainly compared with other rubbish (BL and it's predecessors specificaly) that was around at the time
I guess that there are plenty of sunbeam alpines around & that the state of the steel decides whether it can be restored or not (I don't know much about them). It isn't really a 'land mark' car whereas (I think) the europa is in as much as it's the 1st british mid-engined roadcar.
You've obviously restored a load more lotuses than me too, maybe we should compare notes
I used to have a Mk 3 Humber Sceptre. What a GREAT car!! Solid, reliable; very comfortable, the twin carb 1725cc overdrive lump mad eit go well; but it rusted into a puddle.
No one would take it to restore it. Even for free. I gave it to a breakers yard who specialise in classics. It is still there slowly giving its internal organs to others.
As regards to BL crap, I do own some; one a Dolly Sprint, which notched up several firsts itself!
No one would take it to restore it. Even for free. I gave it to a breakers yard who specialise in classics. It is still there slowly giving its internal organs to others.
As regards to BL crap, I do own some; one a Dolly Sprint, which notched up several firsts itself!
Incorrigible said:
No, you clearly don't know much about them, as for landmarks, The alpine was the first convertable to be made using a monocoque construction, AFAIK.
You've obviously restored a load more lotuses than me too, maybe we should compare notes
I'm now mildly impressed by the sunbeam.
Do I need to have restored a lotus to know about one?
If these guys had done this in their back yard for their own amusement, I'd be disappointed. But It would be their choice.
To do this as a TV show entertainment (and SOOOO Poorly done) is the bit that p155es me off most.
>> Edited by Alpineandy on Friday 28th May 13:53
Alpineandy said:A good read of Rootes group histroy is fascinating
I'm now mildly impressed by the sunbeam.
I'll add that the Alpine used an 8 port alloy head at the same time BL was making the MGB....Alpineandy said:It would give you an insight into why no one took up the challenge to restore this one
Do I need to have restored a lotus to know about one?
Don't get me wrong, I think it should have been restored rather than turned into a hovercraft but you can get a near perfect one for <£10k
, who is going to buy one for a grand or so, spent £5-6k on parts and six months restoring one I didn't see the show fortunately. Was it as ropey as this one??? www.eng.auburn.edu/users/bulfin/genpic.html
Because that car is being restored by someone who doesn't consider them to be fit only for sailing. There is always somebody somewhere willing to restore a car no matter how bad it looks. So no excuses for chopping up irreplaceable cars.
Because that car is being restored by someone who doesn't consider them to be fit only for sailing. There is always somebody somewhere willing to restore a car no matter how bad it looks. So no excuses for chopping up irreplaceable cars.
The interior is certainly better than our one!
Would prob be on par with a clean on the outside. Ours had a really natty cheap spray job that was cracking up everywhere.
I'm afraid the statement above about cost effectiveness does come into play with some people.
In my experience of classics, i'm afraid the statement of ANYONE expecting to restore a car no matter how bad it is is tosh. Sorry, it is true. Some cars on the brink of classic'dom even with a short MoT cannot even be given away; and many people do not have the time or expense to store the things for much longer.
I have had experience of giving away cars and no one being interested at all (or just to tyre kick) with: A 33,000 mile Renault 12, SAAB 96 V4, Humber Sceptre, REnault 17, Volvo 343.. oh and a MINT Allegro Estate I couldn't even get £200 for!!
Most people in this country either do not like, or cannot afford (or have the ability)to look after or restore classics. - that's why I have 5!!!!
Would prob be on par with a clean on the outside. Ours had a really natty cheap spray job that was cracking up everywhere.
I'm afraid the statement above about cost effectiveness does come into play with some people.
In my experience of classics, i'm afraid the statement of ANYONE expecting to restore a car no matter how bad it is is tosh. Sorry, it is true. Some cars on the brink of classic'dom even with a short MoT cannot even be given away; and many people do not have the time or expense to store the things for much longer.
I have had experience of giving away cars and no one being interested at all (or just to tyre kick) with: A 33,000 mile Renault 12, SAAB 96 V4, Humber Sceptre, REnault 17, Volvo 343.. oh and a MINT Allegro Estate I couldn't even get £200 for!!
Most people in this country either do not like, or cannot afford (or have the ability)to look after or restore classics. - that's why I have 5!!!!
hi ya said:
The europa on MG was either Triumph or Ford powered (can't remember).
It was BL based; some suspension looked like Herald parts; wheels were 100% GT6, some dash parts looked v.familar & door handles were the same as my Dolomite.
Lotus wasn't under the arm of GM in those days.
If it was original it would be ford or renault.
Front suspension is triumph herald'ish.
Lotus wasn't with GM until the 80s (for a short time).
hi ya said:That is the sad truth, I did a quick google and found 5 (incredibly rare
Some cars on the brink of classic'dom even with a short MoT cannot even be given away; and many people do not have the time or expense to store the things for much longer.
) lotus Eropas for restoration, most had been for sale for a few months If you lot are so keen to see them fixed why don't you buy one
Welcome to PH BTW senor Hi Ya
In HiYa's defence, it is very true that there are very few people that will buy a total shed even a Europa (that were never that well made to begin with) and then restore it to its full glory.
I've seen very bad condition E-types go to the wrecker's. It's a simple case of economics. A bad E-type will go for a grand or less. Then you are looking at a £40,000 restoration bill.
Then you are left with a car worth £25-30,000.
Simple.
As for Monster Garage, I appreciate the efforts of the people doing the builds but lose the mockney monkey doing the voiceovers.
However, for me though, there is only one Scrapheap Challenge which this show tries to imitate and long may it reign.
I've seen very bad condition E-types go to the wrecker's. It's a simple case of economics. A bad E-type will go for a grand or less. Then you are looking at a £40,000 restoration bill.
Then you are left with a car worth £25-30,000.
Simple.
As for Monster Garage, I appreciate the efforts of the people doing the builds but lose the mockney monkey doing the voiceovers.
However, for me though, there is only one Scrapheap Challenge which this show tries to imitate and long may it reign.
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