Expensive engines

[GavinPearson]

All these engines probably cost under $5000 to make, maybe the turbos on a porker would add another $1000 each. A proper racing engine with a fair number of parts made from unobtainium would cost $100K.

The retail price of parts is market driven, hence the stratospheric prices.

[mackie1]

Ferrari engines do involved a lot of manual labour to produce, from hand finished sand moulds to hand assembly. However £60k for a 456GT engine is a lot!

[off_again]

danwebster said:

Parts (NO labour) cost of my mini (A series) engine was around 12k.

That doesn't count - just looked at your profile and its one trick engine....

[danwebster]

321lightspeed said:

Dan, you should have spent your £12k on something German ;-)

Are you offering me your car for 12k...hehehe

[Road_Terrorist]

For GM I found the following prices for crate engines:
LS2 - $7,500 (£3,880)
LS7 - $17,495 (£9,000).
LS6 - $9,843 (£5,000).
4.6L NorthStar engine with VVT - $5,930 (£3,000).
4L60E 4-speed auto transmission - $2,110 (£1,080)
Tremec T56 manual transmission - $8,985 (£4,650)

Ford 5.0L 'cammer' race engine - $14,995 (£7,700)
Ford 4.6L Modular V8 (Mustang) - $6,849 (£3,545)
Ford 5.4L Supercharged V8 as used in the Ford GT is $36,000 (£18,600)
Ford 5.4L supercharged V8 from the Cobra SVT is $15,999 (£8,200)
Ford Zetec (Focus) 2.0L I4 - $2595 (£1,340)
[all from www.fordracingparts.com, quite a good website for info on prices, and specs like engine weights etc]

Dodge SRT10 V10 - $16,500 (£8540)

BMW M5 V10 - £30,000 approx.
BMW N62B48 4.8L V8 - £5,000 approx.

Honda NSX - $23,000 (£11,901) for short block alone.

[Fiddlemesticks]

When i worked at a Vauxhall dealers in 1997 i had a look at the parts computer and it was quoting £7,200 for a new 2.5 V6 engine for Vectra/Calibra/Omega etc.....

[pentoman]

Road_Terrorist said:

For GM I found the following prices for crate engines:

LS7 - $17,495 (£9,000).

BMW M5 V10 - £30,000 approx.

9k for the LS7 is pretty cheap for a 500+bhp n/a engine.

How much better are AMG's new 6.3 of similar output and BMW M's V10? Are they lighter? Better economy/emissions? Tougher? (doubtless the Mercedes one is built like a tank) Longer lasting?

Don't get me wrong I love a high tech special engine such as those German ones, but just trying to understand the differences because I'm sure it's not as obvious as it may seem.

[atm]

Isnt the Pagani motor a Merc V12. Probably a bit trick that one. Must be the most expensive surely.

[KUB3]

I'm sure the F1 might have something to say about that. Didn't it's exhaust cost more than a 7 series, or something equally daft...

[pentoman]

The BMW V12 in the Mac F1 is supposed to be pretty mega, but then it would with 627bhp from 6 litres. Wonder how often it has to be serviced?

A weird thing about the Zonda is the not-overstressed AMG 7.3 V12 making 555bhp. Probably just needs a service every 10,000 miles and is cheap to run/repair. Nice, but given how rich you'd have to be to buy a Zonda most owners probably don't care/notice!

[Boosted Ls1]

pentoman said:

Road_Terrorist said:

For GM I found the following prices for crate engines:

LS7 - $17,495 (£9,000).

BMW M5 V10 - £30,000 approx.

9k for the LS7 is pretty cheap for a 500+bhp n/a engine.

It's not complete. Quite a few ancilliaries are missing iirc. It is good value though.

Boosted.

[baSkey]

sneijder said:

Incidently the 65 and SLR engines are completely hand built, and I am told the 65 engine takes longer to screw together.

about 50% longer..!

[smhmotorsport]

I guess the GT3 is a road going example? Though the engines in some of the racecars I worked on you couldnt buy, you leased them over a season. around £48k each motor ( youd have around 3 at any one time) Plus a £15k rebuild @ 2.5-3k km. Unless you did Lemans with it when the costs went up to around 20k (fewer re-usable bits). Not sure what the cost was if you blew one up......

[road_terrorist]

Boosted Ls1 said:

pentoman said:

Road_Terrorist said:

For GM I found the following prices for crate engines:

LS7 - $17,495 (£9,000).

BMW M5 V10 - £30,000 approx.

9k for the LS7 is pretty cheap for a 500+bhp n/a engine.

It's not complete. Quite a few ancilliaries are missing iirc. It is good value though.

Boosted.

It's hard to exact prices, obviously there are short blocks, long blocks, crate engines, turn key engines, rebuilt engines amongst other descriptions, all of which can mean vastly different things.

Just typing 'crate engines' into google and all manner of engines come up, many pretuned to certain power levels. Mostly it's the expected american V8s, but you can also get other stuff like Honda or BMW engines if you look hard enough.

Japanese stuff is almost always low mileage used imports from Japan, they are a fraction of new cost and often you can get a 'front cut', which is literally the entire front of the car chopped off and given to you, great for engine conversions as it has brakes, gearbox, dash, all ancillaries, spare panels (if they are in good nick) and so on. Good value but takes up a lot of space.

here's a few more I found as well, from here,
www.ferraripartsexchange.com/engines.htm

the ones listed as 'new'

208GTB/S Turbo V8 - $25,000
3.2L V8 - $20,000
F40 Turbo V8 - $65,000
365GTB/4 V12 - $55,000
512BB V12 - $23,500