why is my central heating noisy all of a sudden?

why is my central heating noisy all of a sudden?

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shnozz

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27,583 posts

273 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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in the last week or so my central heating has started making vibrating noises that are loud enough to annoy me. Have tried bleeding the rads and this has removed a fair bit of air, but the noise continues, mainly when the system first fires up. It is vibrating one of the rads in one of the spare bedrooms quite a lot.

I really havent got the time to take off work at the moment to sit and wait for a plumber all day - can anyone tell me what it is or how to cure it?

many thanks

minimax

11,984 posts

258 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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resisting the temptation to say "because it's fooked" I had this type of problem and when BG came out they diagnosed an airlock in a pipe. sorry I can't be more productive but i just let them get on with it!

wedge girl

4,688 posts

241 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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Pump on the way out and it's cavitating? ( there is a proper term for it but can't remember to much vino)
Noise all down to air in the system.

plug

1,136 posts

240 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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Is the noise from the boiler or the pipes?

d3ano

7,406 posts

255 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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If you have a closed system you will find that there should be a main bleed valve near the boiler or tank. You will need to open this up a bit to get air out of the system.
As you have aleady said your have blead the rads, is that all of them or just the one?

Not to sure if its a open system.

FourWheelDrift

88,722 posts

286 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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Poltergeist ?



>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 19th October 18:54

ntel

5,051 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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Could be a number of things matey. Most likely is an air lock in the pipework. Turn off all the rads except the one that is vibrating. If there is air in the pipework to it then the pump will force the air into the rad. It can then be vented. Go round all the rads and do this in turn.

Also, your pump could be f**cked (technical term used in the industry)

Its also possible that the copper pipework isn't clipped properly and is rubbing on the timber joists.

Best of luck

Dave C

shnozz

Original Poster:

27,583 posts

273 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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d3ano said:
If you have a closed system you will find that there should be a main bleed valve near the boiler or tank. You will need to open this up a bit to get air out of the system.
As you have aleady said your have blead the rads, is that all of them or just the one?

Not to sure if its a open system.




what other systems are there then?

I have blead all the rads, so dont think its that - but the vibration does lead me to think its air in the system somewhere. will look for a main bleed valve near the boiler. many thanks

ntel

5,051 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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wedge girl said:
Pump on the way out and it's cavitating? ( there is a proper term for it but can't remember to much vino)
Noise all down to air in the system.


That is the proper term

shnozz

Original Poster:

27,583 posts

273 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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ntel said:
Could be a number of things matey. Most likely is an air lock in the pipework. Turn off all the rads except the one that is vibrating. If there is air in the pipework to it then the pump will force the air into the rad. It can then be vented. Go round all the rads and do this in turn.

Also, your pump could be f**cked (technical term used in the industry)

Its also possible that the copper pipework isn't clipped properly and is rubbing on the timber joists.

Best of luck

Dave C


blimey - an expert for everything on PH - just read your profile!

right, will give that a whirl. It hasnt made the noise before now so I assume it would be odd if the pipework was suddenly rubbing on the joists?

if the pump is fecked, is that a new boiler, or just a new pump? be typical that would be the case as we approach christmas....

wedge girl

4,688 posts

241 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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Just a new pump, easy to install yourself.

ntel

5,051 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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shnozz said:

d3ano said:
If you have a closed system you will find that there should be a main bleed valve near the boiler or tank. You will need to open this up a bit to get air out of the system.
As you have aleady said your have blead the rads, is that all of them or just the one?

Not to sure if its a open system.





what other systems are there then?

I have blead all the rads, so dont think its that - but the vibration does lead me to think its air in the system somewhere. will look for a main bleed valve near the boiler. many thanks


An open system uses a header tank usually located in the loft, or as part of the hot water cylinder (primatic system). A closed system is sealed and the expansion is catered for with an expansion vessel located behind the boiler casing. Most combi systems are sealed.

ntel

5,051 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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shnozz said:

ntel said:
Could be a number of things matey. Most likely is an air lock in the pipework. Turn off all the rads except the one that is vibrating. If there is air in the pipework to it then the pump will force the air into the rad. It can then be vented. Go round all the rads and do this in turn.

Also, your pump could be f**cked (technical term used in the industry)

Its also possible that the copper pipework isn't clipped properly and is rubbing on the timber joists.

Best of luck

Dave C



blimey - an expert for everything on PH - just read your profile!

right, will give that a whirl. It hasnt made the noise before now so I assume it would be odd if the pipework was suddenly rubbing on the joists?

if the pump is fecked, is that a new boiler, or just a new pump? be typical that would be the case as we approach christmas....


No just a pump. What kind of boiler do you have?

ntel

5,051 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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If you have a combi and you have been bleeding the rads, the system pressure will have dropped. Don't forget to top it up using the filling loop.

ntel

5,051 posts

242 months

Tuesday 19th October 2004
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Just another thought. If the rad is fitted with a thermostic valve then it could be the valve seat and plug vibrating indicating it is worn or on back to front.

shnozz

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27,583 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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thanks for your help on this one. Still doing it and getting the feeling it might be a knackered pump, although all rads still getting the heat

going to follow up on some of these ideas tomorrow when I get some more time. thanks muchly

bruce fielding

2,244 posts

284 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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This is the stuff to try first...


quote:

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Available from most plumbers merchants for about a tenner (I think). Worth giving it a try first and it can't hurt!

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

263 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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Only for use in indirect systems though Bruce

Phil, you really nee to find out what sort of system you have (or if you know just tell us)

shnozz

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27,583 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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Incorrigible said:
Only for use in indirect systems though Bruce

Phil, you really nee to find out what sort of system you have (or if you know just tell us)


its a combi boiler mate - nothing in the loft.

mechsympathy

53,077 posts

257 months

Thursday 21st October 2004
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ntel said:
Just another thought. If the rad is fitted with a thermostic valve then it could be the valve seat and plug vibrating indicating it is worn or on back to front.


Just like all of ours If this is the case the knock should go if you turn the valve on fully.