Induction kit - I'm confused
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I've just contacted my insurance company re having an induction kit added to my car. The lady couldnt find anything that said induction kit, but there was something called sports air filter - are these the same thing??
Sorry to sound thick, bit I would hate to get it done then something happen and i not be covered.
TIA
Jane x
Sorry to sound thick, bit I would hate to get it done then something happen and i not be covered.
TIA
Jane x
Similar, but not the same. Best thing to do is speak to them and confirm that the conversation is recorded.
Say clearly something along the lines of
"My car is fitted with an induction kit. This is the correct description for the accessory. If you want to record it as something else, are you happy to still give me full cover in the event of a claim?"
And then shut up. If they say yes, you are fine.
Say clearly something along the lines of
"My car is fitted with an induction kit. This is the correct description for the accessory. If you want to record it as something else, are you happy to still give me full cover in the event of a claim?"
And then shut up. If they say yes, you are fine.
Just to be slightly 
for a second, but there are two "levels" to changing the induction.
The first is to replace the panel filter in your airbox with an aftermarket one which is allegedly slightly more free-flowing.
The second is to remove the entire airbox and replace it with some other device for the filtration of the air entering the engine. Commonly cone air filters with or without a hose to try to pipe colder external air into the engine bay.
The latter are usually referred to as induction kits. You need to be sure that the insurer isn't referring to the former when they say "sports air filter".
Edited to point out that not all cars have airboxes and panel filters, but most do these days. Not all can have their airbox removed (my wife's Cupra can't). Your mileage may vary. See Terms & Conditions. It's only funny until you have someone's eye out.
>> Edited by JonRB on Thursday 6th January 15:42
for a second, but there are two "levels" to changing the induction. The first is to replace the panel filter in your airbox with an aftermarket one which is allegedly slightly more free-flowing.
The second is to remove the entire airbox and replace it with some other device for the filtration of the air entering the engine. Commonly cone air filters with or without a hose to try to pipe colder external air into the engine bay.
The latter are usually referred to as induction kits. You need to be sure that the insurer isn't referring to the former when they say "sports air filter".
Edited to point out that not all cars have airboxes and panel filters, but most do these days. Not all can have their airbox removed (my wife's Cupra can't). Your mileage may vary. See Terms & Conditions. It's only funny until you have someone's eye out.
>> Edited by JonRB on Thursday 6th January 15:42
JonRB said:
Just to be slightly
The first is to replace the panel filter in your airbox with an aftermarket one which is allegedly slightly more free-flowing.
The second is to remove the entire airbox and replace it with some other device for the filtration of the air entering the engine. Commonly cone air filters with or without a hose to try to pipe colder external air into the engine bay.
The latter are usually referred to as induction kits. You need to be sure that the insurer isn't referring to the former when they say "sports air filter".
Edited to point out that not all cars have airboxes and panel filters, but most do these days. Not all can have their airbox removed (my wife's Cupra can't). Your mileage may vary. See Terms & Conditions. It's only funny until you have someone's eye out.
>> Edited by JonRB on Thursday 6th January 15:41
I know i am gonna sound like a total girl here, but i am so thats my excuse. I told her it was a pipe that replaces the original one and that you put a bigger cone?? on the end to take in more air and give the car a growl! (which is all i want it for) plus gives a few more BHP. To which she replied - does it do anything to the exhaust! No I reply!
Thats right isnt it??
Jane x
Just changing an air filter should not affect your premium as you haven't actually made any structural modifications to the car's standard induction system. Induction kits that bypass or replace the standard airbox are something else, and can affect premiums so definitely need to be declared. It's then up to the insurance company if they decide to put the premium up. They don't always do so.
The induction kit you have put on sounds very much like a long "tube" with a conical air-filter on the end. The idea behind them is that air is accelerated along the tube by the slight tightening of the diameter and it flows with less turbulence into the engine.
That is an induction kit, in reality it doesn't really add many more bhp to the engine just looks pretty and adds as you say a noise.
That is an induction kit, in reality it doesn't really add many more bhp to the engine just looks pretty and adds as you say a noise.
docevi1 said:
The induction kit you have put on sounds very much like a long "tube" with a conical air-filter on the end. The idea behind them is that air is accelerated along the tube by the slight tightening of the diameter and it flows with less turbulence into the engine.
That is an induction kit, in reality it doesn't really add many more bhp to the engine just looks pretty and adds as you say a noise.
Yes thank you - thats what i mean. I think it adds about 5 BHP - which isnt what i want it for - I want the growl.
Jane x
If you can pipe cold air in from the airflow at the front of the car and put a heat shield around the air filter to ensure that it draws in that cold air, then there is some measurable performance gain.
Personally I think the extra noise of an induction kit is a disadvantage, not an advantage, which is why I took it off the Corrado again eventually. I ran it for a year or two but it got too much in the end.
I've often thought that the BMC CDA (Carbon Dynamic Airbox) would be a good compromise, but I'm not prepared to blow £200-odd finding out.
Personally I think the extra noise of an induction kit is a disadvantage, not an advantage, which is why I took it off the Corrado again eventually. I ran it for a year or two but it got too much in the end.
I've often thought that the BMC CDA (Carbon Dynamic Airbox) would be a good compromise, but I'm not prepared to blow £200-odd finding out.
little me said:
...I think it adds about 5 BHP - which isnt what i want it for - I want the growl.
Jane x
Well you'll be pleased about not particularly wanting it for extra power, most kits like this are more for noise than performance, especially on the MX-5 as you're actually drawing in warmer air than the standard air box does leading to potentially decreased performance. Induction kits like the Monsterflow (if that's the one you bought) do sound awesome on the MX-5 though. For a performance gain you'd be better off with a cold air induction setup of some sort, like the JR CAI - but they don't make it for the Mark 2 cars...
Phil.
PJLarge said:
...I think it adds about 5 BHP - which isnt what i want it for - I want the growl.
Jane x
Well you'll be pleased about not particularly wanting it for extra power, most kits like this are more for noise than performance, especially on the MX-5 as you're actually drawing in warmer air than the standard air box does leading to potentially decreased performance. Induction kits like the Monsterflow (if that's the one you bought) do sound awesome on the MX-5 though. For a performance gain you'd be better off with a cold air induction setup of some sort, like the JR CAI - but they don't make it for the Mark 2 cars...
Phil.
was thinking monsterflow or K&N typhoon - or are they the same???
Do you think it will affect the warranty i have still running on the car very much??
Jane x
If I were you, I'd buy the monsterflow for the sound alone, which is obviously your prime reason for purchasing. Warranty wise, it won't cause you any bother. In any case, it's a reversible mod, so if there was cause to claim on the warranty, you could always put it back to stock in the event of a claim 
HTH
Phil.
HTH
Phil.
Hi Jane! I had a similar discussion when I was ringing up for a speculative quote on Jon's Corrado VR6 [] The insurer was concerned that the addition of the air induction kit was a 'modification' to the engine. I told them that it meant an increase in 5bhp. They were still a bit vague after that. I think they are concerned with how additions such as this affect performance.
] The insurer was concerned that the addition of the air induction kit was a 'modification' to the engine. I told them that it meant an increase in 5bhp. They were still a bit vague after that. I think they are concerned with how additions such as this affect performance.vixpy1 said:
The best induction kits in the world are made by GruppeM..
Bloody amazing
Bloody expensive!
The owner of GruppeM lives near me, parks his cars in underneath my last apartment. He has a 355, SL55, GT2, 360 and a bunch of Jap cars... all modified with GruppeM toys... they all sound AMAZING! Unbelieveably good!
(regularly got bollocked by other residents and the nearby hotel for driving in at night!
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