Anyone here bored of F1 at the moment?
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Because I must admit that I think I may be going that way...
I'm looking forward to a few races this year but I must admit that I find my enthusiasm waning.
It is getting all a bit predictable.
Can anyone persuade Adrian Newey to take a sabbatical maybe?
Or am I a loner in this point of view?
I'm looking forward to a few races this year but I must admit that I find my enthusiasm waning.
It is getting all a bit predictable.
Can anyone persuade Adrian Newey to take a sabbatical maybe?
Or am I a loner in this point of view?
Nope. It's great. It is only predictable when Vettel wins. Whenever anyone else does then it is suddenly a miracle, or something. Yes, Vettel has won 5 of the races, but Fernando has won 2, Rosberg has won 2, Kimi and Hamilton have one one each. There has been lots of mixing it up. What is not to like? Would it be predictable if it was a Ferrari winning those 5 races, or a Mercedes? I would hazard a guess 'no'. The only issue seems to be, from the f1 threads, that the pesky German yoof is actually doing well. That seems to grate.
toppstuff said:
It is getting all a bit predictable.
Can you show me where someone predicted:Pirelli tyre woes
Merc being hauled up for an illegal test
Rosberg winning twice
Lewis winning
Merc being as fast as they are
Alonso winning two races before the Ferrari starts losing out to competitors
Alonso and Montezemolo having a little battle of words in the press
Force India being genuinely fast
Sauber going backwards at a rate of knots
Ricciardo putting in a strong string of results
Bianchi doing the same
Perez being super aggressive and Button not liking it
Gutiérrez struggling
If anything its been highly unpredictable. Will Force India get a podium ? Can Lewis / Fernando close the gap to Vettel ? Can Force India beat McLaren ? Will Ricciardo keep putting in the decent drives ? Will Massa lose it again ? Can Perez bring more consistency ? Which team will come up with the next clever widget ?
Lots more to come yet.
TheHeretic said:
Nope. It's great. It is only predictable when Vettel wins. Whenever anyone else does then it is suddenly a miracle, or something. Yes, Vettel has won 5 of the races, but Fernando has won 2, Rosberg has won 2, Kimi and Hamilton have one one each. There has been lots of mixing it up. What is not to like? Would it be predictable if it was a Ferrari winning those 5 races, or a Mercedes? I would hazard a guess 'no'. The only issue seems to be, from the f1 threads, that the pesky German yoof is actually doing well. That seems to grate.
I don't agree.. It's not about Vettel. It's about the utterly predictable outcome if a RB gets to scamper away on a clear track. Championships have been defined by this for several seasons now and I am bored by it.
Mechanical failures are rare. Pit stop rarely seem to make much difference these days to the leader, only to the lower orders in a race.
Take Spa: I am not one of those people who has an issue with Vettel, but when he took the lead on a clear track my heart sank and I went to mow the lawn instead... I didn't really miss anything...
F1 lacks spectacle now. The "show" as Bernie calls it, is a bit stale to this particular bored consumer...
Crafty_ said:
toppstuff said:
It is getting all a bit predictable.
Can you show me where someone predicted:Pirelli tyre woes
Merc being hauled up for an illegal test
Rosberg winning twice
Lewis winning
Merc being as fast as they are
Alonso winning two races before the Ferrari starts losing out to competitors
Alonso and Montezemolo having a little battle of words in the press
Force India being genuinely fast
Sauber going backwards at a rate of knots
Ricciardo putting in a strong string of results
Bianchi doing the same
Perez being super aggressive and Button not liking it
Gutiérrez struggling
If anything its been highly unpredictable. Will Force India get a podium ? Can Lewis / Fernando close the gap to Vettel ? Can Force India beat McLaren ? Will Ricciardo keep putting in the decent drives ? Will Massa lose it again ? Can Perez bring more consistency ? Which team will come up with the next clever widget ?
Lots more to come yet.
On the track, things are not that exciting. Merc are good in qualy but can only translate that to a win on certain circuits. Otherwise a RB will win almost inevitable. Ferrari are on the podium but only win if RB trip up.
Fernando/ Lewis are never going to close the gap on Vettel. Neweys aero and the way RB so closely tailor the team to their lead driver is unbeatable. Another WDC is inevitable and to pretend otherwise is to introduce fake tension and drama where, really, there isn't any.
Pirelli tyre woes threatened to make things interesting but, surprise surprise, it was Newey who got a handle on it first and gave RB the continued edge they have always enjoyed.
Adrian, if you reading this, please take a rest. Spend some time with the family. You are too good. The sport needs a level playing field for a while.
I really, really, hope that the considerable tech changes next year may just unsettle the current order of things. If not, I'm with Bernie on putting sprinklers on the track and making every race a wet one...
toppstuff said:
I don't agree..
It's not about Vettel. It's about the utterly predictable outcome if a RB gets to scamper away on a clear track. Championships have been defined by this for several seasons now and I am bored by it.
Mechanical failures are rare. Pit stop rarely seem to make much difference these days to the leader, only to the lower orders in a race.
Take Spa: I am not one of those people who has an issue with Vettel, but when he took the lead on a clear track my heart sank and I went to mow the lawn instead... I didn't really miss anything...
F1 lacks spectacle now. The "show" as Bernie calls it, is a bit stale to this particular bored consumer...
After the pit stop 'dramas' that almost killed a cameraman this year, or the melodrama at McLaren last year? It's not about Vettel. It's about the utterly predictable outcome if a RB gets to scamper away on a clear track. Championships have been defined by this for several seasons now and I am bored by it.
Mechanical failures are rare. Pit stop rarely seem to make much difference these days to the leader, only to the lower orders in a race.
Take Spa: I am not one of those people who has an issue with Vettel, but when he took the lead on a clear track my heart sank and I went to mow the lawn instead... I didn't really miss anything...
F1 lacks spectacle now. The "show" as Bernie calls it, is a bit stale to this particular bored consumer...
Personally, and from what has been said on the F1 forums, it is absolutely about Vettel. We have a race like the one just gone with lots of on track action, and not really any pit stop strategies that beat the rest, and yet we are told it was 'dull'. Why was it dull? Because Vettel overtook the 'fastest man in F1' coming out of Eau Rouge and went on to win? We didn't hear 'predictable' the race before to my memory, when it was less of an event. It does always seem to be about when Vettel wins.
Case in point, you never even watched the race. You went outside the moment Vettel got ahead of Hamilton. That says more than I ever could.
It really isn't about Vettel for me. I really don't care if a purple monkey is jockey in the RB.
The grid is simply not close enough to RB in terms of race pace. It is as simple as that.
Only unforeseen dramas deflect from an inevitable RB win. It is rare that a car other than an RB wins consistently. More often than not, RB will win and the outcome is often decided pretty early on.
Once the RB has a clear track ahead of it, more often than not it will win. The independent viewer has to hope that a puncture, safety car or some other factor brings the grid closer together.. Even then, it rarely makes a difference.
I think people want to see more teams being closer to each other over race distances. That just isn't happening IMO.
Cars cannot run close to each other over long distances. Challenges do not last long. Gaps between cars are rarely maintained. All too often your hopes get raised because driver A is within 2 seconds of driver B, only to find that the tyres fade or the aero isn't helping and the challenger drops back.
Politics and personalities may interest people, but on the track it just isn't close enough.
The grid is simply not close enough to RB in terms of race pace. It is as simple as that.
Only unforeseen dramas deflect from an inevitable RB win. It is rare that a car other than an RB wins consistently. More often than not, RB will win and the outcome is often decided pretty early on.
Once the RB has a clear track ahead of it, more often than not it will win. The independent viewer has to hope that a puncture, safety car or some other factor brings the grid closer together.. Even then, it rarely makes a difference.
I think people want to see more teams being closer to each other over race distances. That just isn't happening IMO.
Cars cannot run close to each other over long distances. Challenges do not last long. Gaps between cars are rarely maintained. All too often your hopes get raised because driver A is within 2 seconds of driver B, only to find that the tyres fade or the aero isn't helping and the challenger drops back.
Politics and personalities may interest people, but on the track it just isn't close enough.
It's about Vettel for me, it's boring watching him win and it's boring seeing him being so cock-sure of himself when he's won. I rarely watched f1 during the Schumacher years for that exact reason, the predictability. I have found myself not being bothered about watching it as much. The first season he doesn't take the title will make it interesting again, but currently the only word for the season as a whole is predictable.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great driver as was Schumacher but it doesn't make great viewing.
Thats my personal take on it.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great driver as was Schumacher but it doesn't make great viewing.
Thats my personal take on it.
Edited by gman2207 on Saturday 31st August 02:00
toppstuff said:
Yada Yada yada...
On the track, things are not that exciting. Merc are good in qualy but can only translate that to a win on certain circuits. Otherwise a RB will win almost inevitable. Ferrari are on the podium but only win if RB trip up.
Fernando/ Lewis are never going to close the gap on Vettel. Neweys aero and the way RB so closely tailor the team to their lead driver is unbeatable. Another WDC is inevitable and to pretend otherwise is to introduce fake tension and drama where, really, there isn't any.
Pirelli tyre woes threatened to make things interesting but, surprise surprise, it was Newey who got a handle on it first and gave RB the continued edge they have always enjoyed.
Adrian, if you reading this, please take a rest. Spend some time with the family. You are too good. The sport needs a level playing field for a while.
I really, really, hope that the considerable tech changes next year may just unsettle the current order of things. If not, I'm with Bernie on putting sprinklers on the track and making every race a wet one...
Then the easiest thing is to stop watching it, you aren't interested.On the track, things are not that exciting. Merc are good in qualy but can only translate that to a win on certain circuits. Otherwise a RB will win almost inevitable. Ferrari are on the podium but only win if RB trip up.
Fernando/ Lewis are never going to close the gap on Vettel. Neweys aero and the way RB so closely tailor the team to their lead driver is unbeatable. Another WDC is inevitable and to pretend otherwise is to introduce fake tension and drama where, really, there isn't any.
Pirelli tyre woes threatened to make things interesting but, surprise surprise, it was Newey who got a handle on it first and gave RB the continued edge they have always enjoyed.
Adrian, if you reading this, please take a rest. Spend some time with the family. You are too good. The sport needs a level playing field for a while.
I really, really, hope that the considerable tech changes next year may just unsettle the current order of things. If not, I'm with Bernie on putting sprinklers on the track and making every race a wet one...
I just ignore Vettel like I used to ignore Schumacher.
Not sure what the solution is, maybe points for quali and reverse grid on Sunday.
Personally I think the cars look a lot easier to drive under pressure than the cars of yesteryear. For example there's no chance of being put under pressure and missing a gear now. Perfect shifts every time at the push of a button.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJdox6nf-ZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3sWbrEUPY
Problem is how do you keep the technological spectacle while making the racing closer and more exciting.
Not sure what the solution is, maybe points for quali and reverse grid on Sunday.
Personally I think the cars look a lot easier to drive under pressure than the cars of yesteryear. For example there's no chance of being put under pressure and missing a gear now. Perfect shifts every time at the push of a button.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJdox6nf-ZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3sWbrEUPY
Problem is how do you keep the technological spectacle while making the racing closer and more exciting.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Saturday 31st August 09:58
Alex Langheck said:
Other Motorsports are also available..... F1 is about 'The Show', Motorsport entertainment, if you like.
Exactly moto gp/ edurance racing, gts, touring cars, even just even go to your local race track to watch some top notch clubmen series.There is a whole more to motorsport than f1 and apart for the btcc which has decent viewing figures and lemans the rest of the other motorsport is poorly supportive.
As for f1 well it's not up to red bull to make the other quicker the other teams have to sort out there cars to be as quick as red bull there is no magic solution that makes you quick and if the other teams can't do it then red bull and vettel are going to win. I beat if it was Hamilton in the same position it would be brilliant but because vettel isn't British it's a bad thing.
This level of dominance by one manufacturer and/or driver has existed in Formula One for ever.
I watched the video of the 1955 Belgian GP in the other thread this morning (I can thoroughly recommend this to anyone). Fangio and Moss, while 2nd and 3rd in practice just drove away from everyone in the race like Vettel did on Sunday.
Also, to say a RB runs away with it is not really accurate is it? It is only Vettel's RB that does this - Webber is not able to compete so what we have here is the best car being driven by the best driver, a pretty killer combination (see Fangio in Mercedes, Clark in Lotus, Stewart in Matra and Senna in McLaren for other examples).
The great majority of F1 seasons have had a dominant car, 1950/51 Alfa, 1952/53 Ferrari, 1954/55 Mercedes, 1959/60 Cooper, 1961 Ferrari, 1963 Lotus, 1965 Lotus, 1966 Brabham, 1969 Matra, 1970 Lotus, 1971 Tyrrell, 1973 Tyrrell, 1975 Ferrari, 1977 Ferrari, 1978 Lotus, 1980 Williams, 1984/85 McLaren, 1986/87 Williams, 1988 to 1991 McLaren, 1992/93 Williams, 1996/97 Williams, The Schumacher years and then the Red Bull (Vettel) years. In these seasons, if you weren't in the cars mentioned, you had very little chance of winning the WDC.
There have been many years where the dominance is less and lots of cars/drivers won races but they are the minority.
Things like tyre problems, team orders, politics, dominant designer/engineers (Colin Chapman, anyone?) have always existed.
I am not a great fan of Vettel but he IS the dominant driver around at the moment (as Fangio, Clark, Stewart and Senna were before him) and may just end up with a better record than any of them. He can already be considered as one of the greatest ever.
Suggesting Adrian Newey takes a sabbatical so that fans can enjoy closer racing is the stuff of romantic fiction! It is up to the other teams to compete. We should be lauding Newey to the skies as a great British success, not seeking to neuter him. If anyone in motor sport deserves a knighthood, it is Adrian Newey not least for his modesty about his genius.
If you don't enjoy watching F1, stop and let those that do continue.
I watched the video of the 1955 Belgian GP in the other thread this morning (I can thoroughly recommend this to anyone). Fangio and Moss, while 2nd and 3rd in practice just drove away from everyone in the race like Vettel did on Sunday.
Also, to say a RB runs away with it is not really accurate is it? It is only Vettel's RB that does this - Webber is not able to compete so what we have here is the best car being driven by the best driver, a pretty killer combination (see Fangio in Mercedes, Clark in Lotus, Stewart in Matra and Senna in McLaren for other examples).
The great majority of F1 seasons have had a dominant car, 1950/51 Alfa, 1952/53 Ferrari, 1954/55 Mercedes, 1959/60 Cooper, 1961 Ferrari, 1963 Lotus, 1965 Lotus, 1966 Brabham, 1969 Matra, 1970 Lotus, 1971 Tyrrell, 1973 Tyrrell, 1975 Ferrari, 1977 Ferrari, 1978 Lotus, 1980 Williams, 1984/85 McLaren, 1986/87 Williams, 1988 to 1991 McLaren, 1992/93 Williams, 1996/97 Williams, The Schumacher years and then the Red Bull (Vettel) years. In these seasons, if you weren't in the cars mentioned, you had very little chance of winning the WDC.
There have been many years where the dominance is less and lots of cars/drivers won races but they are the minority.
Things like tyre problems, team orders, politics, dominant designer/engineers (Colin Chapman, anyone?) have always existed.
I am not a great fan of Vettel but he IS the dominant driver around at the moment (as Fangio, Clark, Stewart and Senna were before him) and may just end up with a better record than any of them. He can already be considered as one of the greatest ever.
Suggesting Adrian Newey takes a sabbatical so that fans can enjoy closer racing is the stuff of romantic fiction! It is up to the other teams to compete. We should be lauding Newey to the skies as a great British success, not seeking to neuter him. If anyone in motor sport deserves a knighthood, it is Adrian Newey not least for his modesty about his genius.
If you don't enjoy watching F1, stop and let those that do continue.
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