Ferrari International Assistance alive & well
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The FIA & Ferrari come to a "private settlement" over the legality of the 2019 engine:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-fia-eng...
An utterly appalling state of affairs.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-fia-eng...
An utterly appalling state of affairs.
The subtext would appear to be they were found to be operating not quite in compliance with the rules and have agreed to spend money on research instead of being fined/removed from the Championship results etc...
I don't know what the problem is, I have no doubt if Mercedes were found in breach they would also have been let off in such a manner.............................
I don't know what the problem is, I have no doubt if Mercedes were found in breach they would also have been let off in such a manner.............................
Jasandjules said:
The subtext would appear to be they were found to be operating not quite in compliance with the rules and have agreed to spend money on research instead of being fined/removed from the Championship results etc...
I don't know what the problem is, I have no doubt if Mercedes were found in breach they would also have been let off in such a manner.............................
.....'found to be operating not quite in compliance'......so in other words operating outside of compliance with a non compliant engine, so thats against the rules, the car was illegal, they cheated and the FIA were too scared to throw them out of the championship like they would have no hesitation in doing if it was a MercI don't know what the problem is, I have no doubt if Mercedes were found in breach they would also have been let off in such a manner.............................
waynecyclist said:
Interesting wording, it would have better for the sport if they had taken action against Ferrari.
What is interesting wording?“.....'found to be operating not quite in compliance....”?
Where is that from, other than the posts above?
From what I’ve read the FIA couldn’t prove they’d done anything illegal. Are you suggesting a team should be punished simply because other teams think they might be doing something illegal? Even though they can’t offer any evidence to support their accusations?
Interesting wording in that they've said 'non compliant but not the word 'illegal'
Taken from the link....'The wording of the FIA statement is especially intriguing, as the governing body does not state that it found the power unit to have fully complied with the regulations'
Taken from the link....'The wording of the FIA statement is especially intriguing, as the governing body does not state that it found the power unit to have fully complied with the regulations'
Edited by Doink on Friday 28th February 19:56
Not gonna pass judgement on what the truth is... But does it even matter?
Ferrari:
Have their veto and can block what they don't like = still don't win.
Complain about other teams = still don't win.
Cheat = still don't win.
If they are getting away with cheating in this case, it's just embarrassing for them surely? Cheated and still can't compete with straight laced Mercedes! And this year, maybe can't compete with a few others. So much for racing passion. Racing pathetic?
Braced for a flaming
Ferrari:
Have their veto and can block what they don't like = still don't win.
Complain about other teams = still don't win.
Cheat = still don't win.
If they are getting away with cheating in this case, it's just embarrassing for them surely? Cheated and still can't compete with straight laced Mercedes! And this year, maybe can't compete with a few others. So much for racing passion. Racing pathetic?
Braced for a flaming
Not from me.
I've never liked 'em. Not for any particular reason other than they're not a Brit team.
As the years have gone by, my dislike has grown due to their actions and behavior.
I think right about now, I've never disliked them more, their straight line speed on occasion last year was astonishing, almost comical. They seemed boastful of their recent "developments", practically inviting scrutiny. As soon as the "clarifications" started being issued, it all went away, unsurprisingly. With no actual proof that they were cheating, they clearly were.
And now to be allowed to get away with it cheapens the sport, again.
Would F1 really be worse off without Ferrari? I'm not so sure.
I've never liked 'em. Not for any particular reason other than they're not a Brit team.
As the years have gone by, my dislike has grown due to their actions and behavior.
I think right about now, I've never disliked them more, their straight line speed on occasion last year was astonishing, almost comical. They seemed boastful of their recent "developments", practically inviting scrutiny. As soon as the "clarifications" started being issued, it all went away, unsurprisingly. With no actual proof that they were cheating, they clearly were.
And now to be allowed to get away with it cheapens the sport, again.
Would F1 really be worse off without Ferrari? I'm not so sure.
FeelingLucky said:
Would F1 really be worse off without Ferrari? I'm not so sure.
Flip that on its head.. would F1 suffer from a Ferrari exit as much as Ferrari would? F1 would still have a great deal of quality and heritage to sell. What would Ferrari have? F1 gives their brand soul and racing pedigree, they dine out on being the oldest team etc.I suspect the only reason that the FIA pander to them is because Ferrari would be stubborn enough to cut off their nose to spite their face, and walk. It's like dealing with a petulant child. You can't reason with stubborn people.
For a very long time it was 'cool' to have them as the 'bad boys' of F1. In the modern world however, they're starting to look seriously out of date. Personally I love history and soul, I'd love to see them remain on that basis.. but they need to drop the BS and start winning because Ferrari can win, not simply surviving because the 'are Ferrari'.
Someone with a massive pair of balls needs to drop by Maranello and remind them that their road cars sell because they go racing at the highest level in F1 - and that they need to be respectful of that, not take advantage of it.
Doink said:
Interesting wording in that they've said 'non compliant but not the word 'illegal'
Taken from the link....'The wording of the FIA statement is especially intriguing, as the governing body does not state that it found the power unit to have fully complied with the regulations'
It’s doesn’t state it found the power unit to have fully complied with regulations but it also doesn’t state it actually broke regulations.Taken from the link....'The wording of the FIA statement is especially intriguing, as the governing body does not state that it found the power unit to have fully complied with the regulations'
Edited by Doink on Friday 28th February 19:56
There are plenty of clarifications that take place with all teams and things don’t lead to bans, fines etc.
For all we know it was a clever loophole which wasn’t illegal but after clarification they’ve closed it now, but in effect no rules broken.
Without details it’s all speculation.
It's an open secret the game is rigged to favour Ferrari. The oddest thing is that, with the largest budget available, the supposed best people, drivers and so on, they still can't win, even when the rule makers let them ignore the rules.
Some people were quick to deny Ferrari seemed less fast from Austin onwards. I'm not sure I agree with them. My best guess is that from that race on the FIA said 'stop doing that thing'.
Some people were quick to deny Ferrari seemed less fast from Austin onwards. I'm not sure I agree with them. My best guess is that from that race on the FIA said 'stop doing that thing'.
janesmith1950 said:
It's an open secret the game is rigged to favour Ferrari. The oddest thing is that, with the largest budget available, the supposed best people, drivers and so on, they still can't win, even when the rule makers let them ignore the rules.
Which is what makes the Merc dominance even more impressive.And it does explain why Ferrari suddenly had a huge amount of straight line speed until the FIA started investigating...
FeelingLucky said:
Would F1 really be worse off without Ferrari? I'm not so sure.
I think it would in certain ways. If you look at the stands at Monza, I think you will see one particular reason. If you look at the exit gates at Monza after, say, the Ferraris crash or expire. There are a substantial number of fans who support Ferrari and have little interest in any other team or driver,However, I don't think it is a positive to have one team favoured above all others. I accept that even with the benefits, they still can't seem to get their act together since the glory days. That's a bonus as, without them, last season would have been a bore.
No team is essential to the sport, though. Teams come, and teams go. Just look at those that left the sport, including Merc of course, and yet everything went on as before.
While I'd love to see the management call their bluff, I don't think it would be a good thing for spectators and the sport.
Derek Smith said:
While I'd love to see the management call their bluff, I don't think it would be a good thing for spectators and the sport.
I'm not so sure & the upcoming new regulations & Concorde agreement were the perfect time to put Ferrari on the same terms as everyone else. For all the good Liberty have done, to allow Ferrari to retain any veto rights & to continue to bung them millions of dollars makes me deeply disappointed with Chase Carey.Would there be an effect if Ferrari left F1? Yes of course there would, but the sport would survive. No-one is indispensible, as even Bernie discovered.
Doink said:
.....'found to be operating not quite in compliance'......so in other words operating outside of compliance with a non compliant engine, so thats against the rules, the car was illegal, they cheated and the FIA were too scared to throw them out of the championship like they would have no hesitation in doing if it was a Merc
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