Official 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread (Vol 2) *SPOILERS*
Discussion
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
itll be very interesting to see how they word Massi being moved out of that role...
It'll be just as interesting as seeing how those on here that defended Masi's actions defend Masi now...eh Valva..I believe the rules and the authority of the RD need amending, clearing up but that Massi acted within as mandatethey removed him from the position of RD because of his actions and reaction to them
as the stewards panel found the stewards were marking their own homework
I don't think i defended Massi's actions but merely pointed out that according to the published rules and the subsequent stewards hearing he acted in accordance with his mandate.wrongly, as it turns out, as Masi got booted for them Vilvi
Volvolover said:
angrymoby said:
Volvolover said:
As above, they'd have sacked him had he breached contract or had proven misconduct. I believe the rules and the authority of the RD need amending, clearing up but that Massi acted within as mandate as the stewards panel found.
I don't think i defended Massi's actions but merely pointed out that according to the published rules and the subsequent stewards hearing he acted in accordance with his mandate.
If he had, he'd still be RD ...no way would the FIA back down if they didn't think they had toI don't think i defended Massi's actions but merely pointed out that according to the published rules and the subsequent stewards hearing he acted in accordance with his mandate.
In my industry (construction) you would be looking at a P45, and as there were safety issues too, gross misconduct, no pay off, no other job within the business.
blueg33 said:
Surely they had to move him aside because you cannot have someone with that level of power who has made such a monumental error of judgement.
In my industry (construction) you would be looking at a P45, and as there were safety issues too, gross misconduct, no pay off, no other job within the business.
That's what i'm saying, if it was so clear cut Massi's error and that he'd acted totally outside of the framework of the rules, and not an issue with the rules and governance themselves then they'd have sacked him rather than still employ him in my view. In my industry (construction) you would be looking at a P45, and as there were safety issues too, gross misconduct, no pay off, no other job within the business.
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
itll be very interesting to see how they word Massi being moved out of that role...
It'll be just as interesting as seeing how those on here that defended Masi's actions defend Masi now...eh Valva..I believe the rules and the authority of the RD need amending, clearing up but that Massi acted within as mandatethey removed him from the position of RD because of his actions and reaction to them
as the stewards panel found the stewards were marking their own homework
I don't think i defended Massi's actions but merely pointed out that according to the published rules and the subsequent stewards hearing he acted in accordance with his mandate.wrongly, as it turns out, as Masi got booted for them Vilvi
Priceless! Yeah, you're right. I heard he was removed from the job he was doing flawlessly because he never flushed the toilet too...Volvolover said:
That's what i'm saying, if it was so clear cut Massi's error and that he'd acted totally outside of the framework of the rules, and not an issue with the rules and governance themselves then they'd have sacked him rather than still employ him in my view.
They had to find a way to remove him from his role but keep him in some other capacity because to have not done so would be admitting they know what occurred in Abu Dhabi resulted in the title* going to the wrong driver.PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
itll be very interesting to see how they word Massi being moved out of that role...
It'll be just as interesting as seeing how those on here that defended Masi's actions defend Masi now...eh Valva..I believe the rules and the authority of the RD need amending, clearing up but that Massi acted within as mandatethey removed him from the position of RD because of his actions and reaction to them
as the stewards panel found the stewards were marking their own homework
I don't think i defended Massi's actions but merely pointed out that according to the published rules and the subsequent stewards hearing he acted in accordance with his mandate.wrongly, as it turns out, as Masi got booted for them Vilvi
Priceless! Yeah, you're right. I heard he was removed from the job he was doing flawlessly because he never flushed the toilet too...
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
PhilAsia said:
Volvolover said:
itll be very interesting to see how they word Massi being moved out of that role...
It'll be just as interesting as seeing how those on here that defended Masi's actions defend Masi now...eh Valva..I believe the rules and the authority of the RD need amending, clearing up but that Massi acted within as mandatethey removed him from the position of RD because of his actions and reaction to them
as the stewards panel found the stewards were marking their own homework
I don't think i defended Massi's actions but merely pointed out that according to the published rules and the subsequent stewards hearing he acted in accordance with his mandate.wrongly, as it turns out, as Masi got booted for them Vilvi
Priceless! Yeah, you're right. I heard he was removed from the job he was doing flawlessly because he never flushed the toilet too...
Volvolover said:
You are not party to any of the reasons as none of us are, your bits in bold are as speculative as mine. However, applying some basic principles of employment law will give you some insight into why Massi is still an FIA employee
Which employment law? Which jurisdiction- UK, french, Swiss…?Gazzab said:
Volvolover said:
You are not party to any of the reasons as none of us are, your bits in bold are as speculative as mine. However, applying some basic principles of employment law will give you some insight into why Massi is still an FIA employee
Which employment law? Which jurisdiction- UK, french, Swiss…?2fast748 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Masi finally gone - well, moved into a new position at the last minute of the off-season, how fitting.
Maybe I’ll start being seriously interested in 2022 now, and the whole circus can move on from 2021 *
I wonder how Martin Brundle, Joe Saward and many of the other media who have been toeing the line for the past two months, will reconcile themselves to the changes?
Nick Knowles must be pleased.....Maybe I’ll start being seriously interested in 2022 now, and the whole circus can move on from 2021 *
I wonder how Martin Brundle, Joe Saward and many of the other media who have been toeing the line for the past two months, will reconcile themselves to the changes?
Joe Saward will have always implied what the outcome was it's just that you're not smart enough to understand him.
”It remains to be seen what this means, but it is not thought likely that the federation will axe Race Director Michael Masi, as this would obviously be a sign of the FIA kowtowing to pressures from external forces, particularly as the FIA Stewards in Abu Dhabi rejected the Mercedes-Benz appeal and by doing so supported Masi’s actions, whether it was popular or not. They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected. To remove Masi would be unwise and would create unhelpful precedents for the sport. It is far more likely that the analysis will focus on the way that the Safety Car is used, as this was the fundamental reason that Lewis Hamilton lost the World Championship.”
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/the-f1-...
angrymoby said:
Volvolover said:
Nobody said he did it flawlessley, but you cant sack someone of they haven't broken any rules
& if they don't want to move you can't move them sideways either Volvolover said:
Gazzab said:
Volvolover said:
You are not party to any of the reasons as none of us are, your bits in bold are as speculative as mine. However, applying some basic principles of employment law will give you some insight into why Massi is still an FIA employee
Which employment law? Which jurisdiction- UK, french, Swiss…?playamonte said:
paulw123 said:
The fact Masi is still in a job beggars belief.
Still feel sick about what happened that day. It was a season that showed the worst decisions of a race director I can ever remember. Spa, Brazil, Saudi or Abu Dahbi on their own would have been bad enough but to have all that in one season is just ridiculous. The final race will haunt the FIA for years.
Sport and fairness comes first. ‘The show’ comes second.
Yes as bent as a nine bob note & in time it may well come out just how much influence RB has over the muppet.Still feel sick about what happened that day. It was a season that showed the worst decisions of a race director I can ever remember. Spa, Brazil, Saudi or Abu Dahbi on their own would have been bad enough but to have all that in one season is just ridiculous. The final race will haunt the FIA for years.
Sport and fairness comes first. ‘The show’ comes second.
It's worth recalling what actually happened here. Masi was specifically asked to retract his decision AND break two rules by Red Bull in the closing stages of the race, despite already having announced his decision on how the safety car would be brought, in order that Verstappen could catch Hamilton and pass him. There was no other reason for so doing and there was no other outcome once he agreed.
The question that should be asked is: Why on earth would someone in his position, in charge of the race, independent, and only answerable to the FIA, not only do that for Red Bull, but when reminded of the rules by Mercedes, refuse to answer and continue with his illegal act? What was the influence they had on him and that they brought to bear on him in such a dramatic way? There must be something quite powerful to do this incredible gift for Horner and Wheatley.
Was it financial? Did they have some dirt on him? Was he obligated to help out to someone in trouble? I'm not sure there are any other things that could be brought to bear on him at that point by Red Bull.
All this about the show, FIA wanting a different WC, wanting the race to end under green flags, it's all just smoke and mirrors put out by the FIA and their friends in the media to divert attention from the real questions. Divert attention, introduce random reasons, keep the conversation away from the real question. This was absolutely clearly a spur of the moment decision which was a direct response to the RB requests and exactly what was asked for by a desperate Red Bull team. Why would he do that?
Gazzab said:
Volvolover said:
Gazzab said:
Volvolover said:
You are not party to any of the reasons as none of us are, your bits in bold are as speculative as mine. However, applying some basic principles of employment law will give you some insight into why Massi is still an FIA employee
Which employment law? Which jurisdiction- UK, french, Swiss…?Sandpit Steve said:
Not much ambiguity in this quote, from three days ago:
”It remains to be seen what this means, but it is not thought likely that the federation will axe Race Director Michael Masi, as this would obviously be a sign of the FIA kowtowing to pressures from external forces, particularly as the FIA Stewards in Abu Dhabi rejected the Mercedes-Benz appeal and by doing so supported Masi’s actions, whether it was popular or not. They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected. To remove Masi would be unwise and would create unhelpful precedents for the sport. It is far more likely that the analysis will focus on the way that the Safety Car is used, as this was the fundamental reason that Lewis Hamilton lost the World Championship.”
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/the-f1-...
That's the same opinionated journo who went on a rant when news first broke in 2012 that Hamilton had signed for Mercedes; basically calling him an idiot for leaving Mclaren”It remains to be seen what this means, but it is not thought likely that the federation will axe Race Director Michael Masi, as this would obviously be a sign of the FIA kowtowing to pressures from external forces, particularly as the FIA Stewards in Abu Dhabi rejected the Mercedes-Benz appeal and by doing so supported Masi’s actions, whether it was popular or not. They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected. To remove Masi would be unwise and would create unhelpful precedents for the sport. It is far more likely that the analysis will focus on the way that the Safety Car is used, as this was the fundamental reason that Lewis Hamilton lost the World Championship.”
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/the-f1-...
mattb46 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Not much ambiguity in this quote, from three days ago:
”It remains to be seen what this means, but it is not thought likely that the federation will axe Race Director Michael Masi, as this would obviously be a sign of the FIA kowtowing to pressures from external forces, particularly as the FIA Stewards in Abu Dhabi rejected the Mercedes-Benz appeal and by doing so supported Masi’s actions, whether it was popular or not. They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected. To remove Masi would be unwise and would create unhelpful precedents for the sport. It is far more likely that the analysis will focus on the way that the Safety Car is used, as this was the fundamental reason that Lewis Hamilton lost the World Championship.”
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/the-f1-...
That's the same opinionated journo who went on a rant when news first broke in 2012 that Hamilton had signed for Mercedes; basically calling him an idiot for leaving Mclaren”It remains to be seen what this means, but it is not thought likely that the federation will axe Race Director Michael Masi, as this would obviously be a sign of the FIA kowtowing to pressures from external forces, particularly as the FIA Stewards in Abu Dhabi rejected the Mercedes-Benz appeal and by doing so supported Masi’s actions, whether it was popular or not. They are the official referees of the sport and thus the FIA wants them to be respected. To remove Masi would be unwise and would create unhelpful precedents for the sport. It is far more likely that the analysis will focus on the way that the Safety Car is used, as this was the fundamental reason that Lewis Hamilton lost the World Championship.”
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/the-f1-...
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