Sebastian Vettel
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paulguitar said:
Some very silly talk here. Nobody ‘lucks’ into an F1 WDC. You can be fortunate to be in the right place at the right time such as Button but there is still rather a lot of work to do!
Vettel absolutely did not ‘luck’ into 4 titles. The Red Bull was not dominant for the whole of that period, but when it was, Vettel tended to be flawless.
Is he as good as Hamilton? No. Still a great driver and a big part of me would love to see him back to his best.
Vettel won 4 WDC's due to the fact that the Red Bull was significantly the best car at the time. He was able to qualify on Pole, get away in the lead, and bugger off into the distance. Without any pressure from behind he was able to keep his distance and win.Vettel absolutely did not ‘luck’ into 4 titles. The Red Bull was not dominant for the whole of that period, but when it was, Vettel tended to be flawless.
Is he as good as Hamilton? No. Still a great driver and a big part of me would love to see him back to his best.
If the Red Bull at the time wasn't as fast off the line, I doubt very much he would of won all 4 WDC's.
The fact that he could naff off out of reach of his opponents, due to the car, meant that he didn't have to race wheel-to-wheel, which he can't do, at least not as well as his fellow competitors.
So to a certain extent he did luck into them.
Out of all the Recent Drivers championships, I think Rosberg's was the most hard fought for. He did a mighty job, which nearly broke him by the sounds of it.
Agree with regards to Rosberg. He got the rub of the green but even allowing for that his title was a mighty achievement.
To be fair to Vettel, if you go back and rewatch his title years, he did not have a dominant car for the whole of that time, and still got the job done.
Sure, for some of that time the Red Bull was totally dominant and he simply cleared off at the front. I still believe he deserves some credit for that too, he had an advantage but his performance was relentlessly perfect.
As I said, in my opinion not the match of Hamilton, but still a driver who deserves a lot of respect.
To be fair to Vettel, if you go back and rewatch his title years, he did not have a dominant car for the whole of that time, and still got the job done.
Sure, for some of that time the Red Bull was totally dominant and he simply cleared off at the front. I still believe he deserves some credit for that too, he had an advantage but his performance was relentlessly perfect.
As I said, in my opinion not the match of Hamilton, but still a driver who deserves a lot of respect.
paulguitar said:
Agree with regards to Rosberg. He got the rub of the green but even allowing for that his title was a mighty achievement.
To be fair to Vettel, if you go back and rewatch his title years, he did not have a dominant car for the whole of that time, and still got the job done.
Sure, for some of that time the Red Bull was totally dominant and he simply cleared off at the front. I still believe he deserves some credit for that too, he had an advantage but his performance was relentlessly perfect.
As I said, in my opinion not the match of Hamilton, but still a driver who deserves a lot of respect.
Agreed.To be fair to Vettel, if you go back and rewatch his title years, he did not have a dominant car for the whole of that time, and still got the job done.
Sure, for some of that time the Red Bull was totally dominant and he simply cleared off at the front. I still believe he deserves some credit for that too, he had an advantage but his performance was relentlessly perfect.
As I said, in my opinion not the match of Hamilton, but still a driver who deserves a lot of respect.
Where Vettel has suffered is that unlike Hamilton when he's not streaking away he seems to buckle under pressure. There is an element to that I feel where when you know you've made mistakes in the past you end up making even more of them, simply because the pressure is still there, and at the level they drive at any self-doubt at all will manifest in hesitation or poor decisions.
Hamilton on the other hand seems to handle this pressure with aplomb.
super7 said:
Out of all the Recent Drivers championships, I think Rosberg's was the most hard fought for. He did a mighty job, which nearly broke him by the sounds of it.
It didn't nearly break him, it did break him. I think he quit straight afterwards because he realised he couldn't go through that experience again.VladD said:
super7 said:
Out of all the Recent Drivers championships, I think Rosberg's was the most hard fought for. He did a mighty job, which nearly broke him by the sounds of it.
It didn't nearly break him, it did break him. I think he quit straight afterwards because he realised he couldn't go through that experience again....but looking back I actually admire him quite a lot. We’ve seen how much it takes to beat Hamilton, how good you’ve actually got to be...I don’t think Rosberg gets the respect he deserves.
I also think it adds another string to Hamilton’s bow. It proves that drivers are free to race if they stand a chance of the championship...it’s not something you can say for Schumachers championships and teammates for instance
Edited by 37chevy on Wednesday 2nd October 16:45
Edited by 37chevy on Wednesday 2nd October 16:45
VladD said:
super7 said:
Out of all the Recent Drivers championships, I think Rosberg's was the most hard fought for. He did a mighty job, which nearly broke him by the sounds of it.
It didn't nearly break him, it did break him. I think he quit straight afterwards because he realised he couldn't go through that experience again.
He's admitted it in interviews so there is definitely no question about it.37chevy said:
...but looking back I actually admire him quite a lot. We’ve seen how much it takes to beat Hamilton, how good you’ve actually got to be...I don’t think Rosberg gets the respect he deserves.
I have a lot of respect for him for getting that title in 2016. I think he vindicated his whole life really and I was sort of reluctantly glad for him although I never considered him the equal of Lewis and still don’t.It’s enlightening that it literally took everything he had and more and he immediately quit knowing he could never do it again. Meanwhile Hamilton turns up year after year and rattles the titles off.
paulguitar said:
I have a lot of respect for him for getting that title in 2016. I think he vindicated his whole life really and I was sort of reluctantly glad for him although I never considered him the equal of Lewis and still don’t.
It’s enlightening that it literally took everything he had and more and he immediately quit knowing he could never do it again. Meanwhile Hamilton turns up year after year and rattles the titles off.
Good point well made!It’s enlightening that it literally took everything he had and more and he immediately quit knowing he could never do it again. Meanwhile Hamilton turns up year after year and rattles the titles off.
I think that shows a significant difference in approach / belief. Some drivers life's ambition satisfied with one title, others will always be disappointed with the ones that got away no matter how many they win.
Which kind of brings us back to Seb. For all the poor performances and mistakes over the last few years, that was a really strong drive in Russia. The Ferrari arrangement was a bit odd and I know people say its hindsight, but everyone knows 3rd on the grid lined up behind a very fast car was the place to be (before we talk about soft / medium tyres). It was actually a fast and flawless drive in the race even if he couldn't match CLC in qualifying. Makes me think there is life in the old dog yet and I certainly hope so.
Which kind of brings us back to Seb. For all the poor performances and mistakes over the last few years, that was a really strong drive in Russia. The Ferrari arrangement was a bit odd and I know people say its hindsight, but everyone knows 3rd on the grid lined up behind a very fast car was the place to be (before we talk about soft / medium tyres). It was actually a fast and flawless drive in the race even if he couldn't match CLC in qualifying. Makes me think there is life in the old dog yet and I certainly hope so.
super7 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
A few wins and Leclerc is the new messiah, I remember him spinning and crashing in Germany shame sky and the rest of the f1 community can't look past the last race.
I'm no Vettel fan but the guys a god dam 4 times world drivers champion, don't luck into that 4 times, yes once like Button but 4 times plus give me a break plus he beat the PH messiah at the time Alonso.
Vettel is living proof you can luck into 4 world drivers championships!!!!!!I'm no Vettel fan but the guys a god dam 4 times world drivers champion, don't luck into that 4 times, yes once like Button but 4 times plus give me a break plus he beat the PH messiah at the time Alonso.
super7 said:
He spent his whole racing career in the Shadow of Hamilton. What else did he have to prove once he finally beat him fair and square. Nothing!!!
Sure he thought after beating Schumi for a couple of years he would be top dog in the team.A hungry Hamilton was a completely different animal. The results speak for themselves.
super7 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
A few wins and Leclerc is the new messiah, I remember him spinning and crashing in Germany shame sky and the rest of the f1 community can't look past the last race.
I'm no Vettel fan but the guys a god dam 4 times world drivers champion, don't luck into that 4 times, yes once like Button but 4 times plus give me a break plus he beat the PH messiah at the time Alonso.
Vettel is living proof you can luck into 4 world drivers championships!!!!!!I'm no Vettel fan but the guys a god dam 4 times world drivers champion, don't luck into that 4 times, yes once like Button but 4 times plus give me a break plus he beat the PH messiah at the time Alonso.
How lucky do you think Hamilton’s been?
paulguitar said:
REALIST123 said:
He had a much harder time than Hamilton’s had over the past 6 years, as the records show.
It was always likely to be harder for Seb than Lewis because Lewis is a far, far better F1 driver. That is no different than any other sport at the top.
There are tens of thousands of racing drivers in the world, and 20 of the best of them race in F1. To suggest there’s that much difference between the best and the 2nd best shows a lack of understanding of top-level sport.
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