Sebastian Vettel
Discussion
paulguitar said:
oyster said:
To suggest there’s that much difference between the best and the 2nd best shows a lack of understanding of top-level sport.
I can only conclude you have not been watching F1 much over the last couple of years.There's only a handful % difference between the top-10 F1 drivers.
HealeyV8 said:
I think Vettels success was of it's time. He has a driving style very suited to a blown rear diffuser, it's sort of counter intuitive the harder you mash the throttle the more the rear sticks, He has never been the same driver since that stopped.
On the money. He was superb during the blown-diffuser era. Less so during this low-down torque V6t hybrid era.
If it is true that Vettel has a number 1 status in his contract, that's going to lead to an interesting situation at Ferrari for next year. Knowing what they know now about the relative pace of their drivers, there would be a conflict of interest between Vettel's contract and the needs of the team. That can settle itself by Vettel agreeing to that element being discarded, the team agreeing to abide by the contract or Vettel leaving.
A44RON said:
Oyster is correct. The more accurate point would be - "Lewis is a far, far better driver than Grosjean and Lance Stroll."
There's only a handful % difference between the top-10 F1 drivers.
It’s not as simple as that. Nobody would suggest that Hamilton could take a car around a circuit a second per lap faster than Seb. The difference, and it is a genuinely big difference, is that Hamilton makes very few mistakes whereas Vettel makes many.There's only a handful % difference between the top-10 F1 drivers.
HardtopManual said:
Engines are just as important, if not more in the hybrid era.
You can find engines from all manufacturers at both the front and the back of the field. It's all about aero.Look at Honda. Rubbish when in the McLaren and working nicely in Verstappen's Red Bull. Same for Renault. And IIRC Williams was driving round at the back with Merc engines.
super7 said:
oyster said:
You haven't followed F1 for long have you?
No. Not really.... about 35 years. Have only missed watching a handfull of those as well. "What's happening now? Why's he doing that? Where did the gun come from?"
Just saying...
rockin said:
You can find engines from all manufacturers at both the front and the back of the field. It's all about aero.
Look at Honda. Rubbish when in the McLaren and working nicely in Verstappen's Red Bull. Same for Renault. And IIRC Williams was driving round at the back with Merc engines.
A good engine can make up for poor aero (see Williams at the start of the hybrid era), but no amount of aero efficiency can make up for a poor engine (see Red Bull). In seasons past, when engine layouts varied, it was also common for an engine to dictate the aero (you’d like to add some nice, wide Venturi tunnels but you can’t because you have a flat 12 for CoG).Look at Honda. Rubbish when in the McLaren and working nicely in Verstappen's Red Bull. Same for Renault. And IIRC Williams was driving round at the back with Merc engines.
paulguitar said:
A44RON said:
Oyster is correct. The more accurate point would be - "Lewis is a far, far better driver than Grosjean and Lance Stroll."
There's only a handful % difference between the top-10 F1 drivers.
It’s not as simple as that. Nobody would suggest that Hamilton could take a car around a circuit a second per lap faster than Seb. The difference, and it is a genuinely big difference, is that Hamilton makes very few mistakes whereas Vettel makes many.There's only a handful % difference between the top-10 F1 drivers.
Vettel though, his "bring back the v12s" comment made me laugh, he was ironically enough the age of 12 last time the reds ran 12 cylinder power (actual not mental) and given he's commenting on reliability, he might want to look up what their finishing record was like - to save you the bother they had more DNFs than race finishes in the early 90s.
Teddy Lop said:
Vettel though, his "bring back the v12s" comment made me laugh, he was ironically enough the age of 12 last time the reds ran 12 cylinder power (actual not mental) and given he's commenting on reliability, he might want to look up what their finishing record was like - to save you the bother they had more DNFs than race finishes in the early 90s.
His general F1 knowledge is better than his team mates though 
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So now that VET’s season has gone from bad to worse (for the 3rd or 4th season in a row?) will he announce his retirement? Surely he has had enough and can see that he isn’t going to win another world title...?
So if he does retire this season then who will get his seat? Ferrari tend to have an existing world champion driving their car. I can’t believe HAM would move. So would Ferrari put LEC as no 1 and then put a safe pair of hands in alongside him?
So if he does retire this season then who will get his seat? Ferrari tend to have an existing world champion driving their car. I can’t believe HAM would move. So would Ferrari put LEC as no 1 and then put a safe pair of hands in alongside him?
Gazzab said:
So now that VET’s season has gone from bad to worse (for the 3rd or 4th season in a row?) will he announce his retirement? Surely he has had enough and can see that he isn’t going to win another world title...?
So if he does retire this season then who will get his seat? Ferrari tend to have an existing world champion driving their car. I can’t believe HAM would move. So would Ferrari put LEC as no 1 and then put a safe pair of hands in alongside him?
Your WDC point might answer your own question - if not vettel then who else could fill that role? Lewis is indeed busy elsewhere. Kimi has already been shipped downstream, so bringing him back would look like they made a mistake - Ferrari don't tend to do that..So if he does retire this season then who will get his seat? Ferrari tend to have an existing world champion driving their car. I can’t believe HAM would move. So would Ferrari put LEC as no 1 and then put a safe pair of hands in alongside him?
They either keep vettel or they have no WDC. And that's before we even broach the question of whether or not vettel even wants to stay.
Best guess, if vettel left under whatever decision, DR would get a phonecall. There isn't really any other proven top team driver available. Other than DR, if they really have to have a WDC, then they'll keep vettel no matter what.
And if anyone suggests Alonso, so help me god!!
Edited by TheDeuce on Monday 18th November 23:39
Stan the Bat said:
They would probably throw a hundred million at Max.
I don't think they would. He's not, as they would put it, 'one of us'. It might be what they need, but not what they want.I reckon they might keep SV on for a year, but as #2.
It'll be a shame if he goes. When he's firing on all cylinders, he's good to watch. When he's not, and crashes into things, he's worth watching even more.
However, I accept that there are other, younger, drivers out there who would probably do a better job for Ferrari at the moment.
He reminds me of Schumacher in his later years; a man of his time, but his time has gone.
I've looked at Sunday's crash a few times, and have come to the conclusion that it was clearly Vettel's fault as he moved sideways.
However, he does that normally. CLC must have known that he would pull to his left. Whilst CLC did nothing which the FIA could penalise him for, he was silly not to move over. Most accidents are not the blame of one driver, and I don't see this one as any different. Ferrari will be a bit off with him, and quite rightly.
So probably SV expected CLC to concede the corner, so perhaps not quite something that condemns the bloke, although I would agree that he is making too many mistakes for a chap supposedly at the top of his game.
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