Official 2020 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ** SPOILERS**
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Evangelion said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
... Current thinking is that the tests are not sufficiently detailed to properly measure the movement.
The solution is to change the defective test, not the rule.
If the test cannot determine whether or not a rule is being broken, then it's pointless having the rule in the first place. Might as well scrap it until such a test is devised.The solution is to change the defective test, not the rule.
In the end, if it's prove-able that the current design has an effect on aero as it moves.... then it's irrelevant if it happens to pass the standard quick check test.
For example, a surface that moves mechanically at certain speeds could be totally rigid and easily pass the test - it would still fail to be legal once proven to be a moving aero surface.
uptheraidillon said:
So using the body for downforce didn't end with ground effect bans? 
I would have thought there would be a greater benefit with a lower rear ride height overall, but apparently not
Merc and Racing point would say not running at high rake is betterI would have thought there would be a greater benefit with a lower rear ride height overall, but apparently not
Edited by uptheraidillon on Tuesday 21st July 08:28
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
ou're not allowed to have it, on principle, minus some allowance for physics, is my understanding. The current test appears to be deficient, in that it is insufficiently sophisticated. The issue is with the test, rather than the rule.
If you want close racing, the best solution is stability in the rules and regulations allied to a budget cap. That way the small teams have time to catch up and the big teams don't have enough money to spend £100m chasing 0.05 seconds a lap on multiple areas at any one time.
Going off topic slightly, and just a ponder, but what if you just allowed bendy aero?If you want close racing, the best solution is stability in the rules and regulations allied to a budget cap. That way the small teams have time to catch up and the big teams don't have enough money to spend £100m chasing 0.05 seconds a lap on multiple areas at any one time.
1) might close the gap as everyone has slightly bendy aero anyway, but only the top teams have the vast resources to throw at endless research and testing to make it just bendy enough to exploit and comply
2) cars might follow closer with less dirty air on high speed section?
3) a front wing that doesn't have to be stiff enough to pass ridiculous static loading might mean a design that's more forgiving in contact.
Evangelion said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
... Current thinking is that the tests are not sufficiently detailed to properly measure the movement.
The solution is to change the defective test, not the rule.
If the test cannot determine whether or not a rule is being broken, then it's pointless having the rule in the first place. Might as well scrap it until such a test is devised.The solution is to change the defective test, not the rule.
It wasn't the rules are rubbish, it was the designers are very clever. This is part of the excitement of F1.
I thought DAS was brilliant. And now if, RB has come up with a solution for a bendy wing which meets regulations then that is brilliant too. This makes the sport exciting.
leef44 said:
That's not how Formula One works. They have legislation/rules then the designers come up with ingenius ways to design something which gives them the competitive edge and still meet the rules.
It wasn't the rules are rubbish, it was the designers are very clever. This is part of the excitement of F1.
I thought DAS was brilliant. And now if, RB has come up with a solution for a bendy wing which meets regulations then that is brilliant too. This makes the sport exciting.
speaking purely as a spectatorIt wasn't the rules are rubbish, it was the designers are very clever. This is part of the excitement of F1.
I thought DAS was brilliant. And now if, RB has come up with a solution for a bendy wing which meets regulations then that is brilliant too. This makes the sport exciting.
RBR are the only team with half a chance of taking points from merc, do I want them to be punished and forced to make their car slower? If it passes the tests, leave it alone but change the tests that are required for next year if its deemed to be dangerous.
whats to say this flexing isn't whats causing their rear instability?
leef44 said:
It wasn't the rules are rubbish, it was the designers are very clever. This is part of the excitement of F1.
I thought DAS was brilliant. And now if, RB has come up with a solution for a bendy wing which meets regulations then that is brilliant too. This makes the sport exciting.
This is precisely my view as well. Wish we saw more of it. I thought DAS was brilliant. And now if, RB has come up with a solution for a bendy wing which meets regulations then that is brilliant too. This makes the sport exciting.
Ferrari’s burst of speed livened the sport up massively, shame they appear to have strayed the wrong side of a very thin line to achieve it.
Speaking of the instability, that's a hallmark of Newey's cars almost as much as being fast is. In his own book, I think there were at least three cars that started out with a very narrow operating window and if the driver went outside of those parameters they'd suddenly lose a lot of grip (stalling diffusers, wings etc if I recall).
They tend to work through them and fix what's making it unstable but it's not uncommon for a new Newey car to begin life with some kind of aero vice.
They tend to work through them and fix what's making it unstable but it's not uncommon for a new Newey car to begin life with some kind of aero vice.
Just watched this video of maxs repair.
The extra silver on the arm they replaced is just tape they put on last.
https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/724517895...
The extra silver on the arm they replaced is just tape they put on last.
https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/724517895...
Zoobeef said:
Just watched this video of maxs repair.
The extra silver on the arm they replaced is just tape they put on last.
https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/724517895...
That was a few pages of pointless debate then The extra silver on the arm they replaced is just tape they put on last.
https://www.facebook.com/Formula1/videos/724517895...
Although it's PH, pretty sure most of us only come on here for a daily arguement about something anyways..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Go on...
Nothing more to add.Did you literally just post that to let someone else know you think they're wrong, but have no interest whatsoever in helping them be right next time? In terms of contributions, that isn't one.
TheDeuce said:
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Go on...
Nothing more to add.Did you literally just post that to let someone else know you think they're wrong, but have no interest whatsoever in helping them be right next time? In terms of contributions, that isn't one.
leef44 said:
The tape is a special type of go-faster stripe. The same ones they used on Mk1 Golf GTis and Escort XR3is
Would the stewards take a closer look if he stuck a nurburgring sticker on the rear wing? That's worth at least 20hp alone Plus the neon footwell lighting, another 50hp...
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