Official 2019 British Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
HoHoHo said:
Can’t say I blame him, always the bridesmaid, never the bride poor fella.
I really like him but I’m not betting any money he’ll ever be a world champion.
Not whilst he has Hamilton as a teammate, he's quick enough but Hamilton has incredible race craft. I really like him but I’m not betting any money he’ll ever be a world champion.
I still maintain that Hamilton got incredibly lucky yesterday which made the win easy for him. I'd have loved to see that race without the safety car as Bottas was maintaining the gap to keep Hamilton behind but only just and what could have followed Hamilton's pit would have been brilliant! That's racing though and yesterday was a belter, if only every race was like that!
bobbo89 said:
HoHoHo said:
Can’t say I blame him, always the bridesmaid, never the bride poor fella.
I really like him but I’m not betting any money he’ll ever be a world champion.
Not whilst he has Hamilton as a teammate, he's quick enough but Hamilton has incredible race craft. I really like him but I’m not betting any money he’ll ever be a world champion.
I still maintain that Hamilton got incredibly lucky yesterday which made the win easy for him. I'd have loved to see that race without the safety car as Bottas was maintaining the gap to keep Hamilton behind but only just and what could have followed Hamilton's pit would have been brilliant! That's racing though and yesterday was a belter, if only every race was like that!
Grahamdub said:
Seems a distinct lack of F1 coverage on the news today. All I have seen is cricket or tennis, no mention of Lewis' win.
Although it was the British GP and Hamilton broke the winning record for the race, it is just one race in a championship and nothing was decided other than that race. The other two finals were the culmination of world stage events and each was a classic, high quality event. Cricket and tennis are more widely followed than F1. The only shame was that you couldn't watch all 3 simultaneously!
zebra said:
Stop going on about Hamilton being lucky. There was some luck with the safety car but Bottas needed two stops and Hamilton only required one stop amongst many other things, so to suggest that Hamilton would not have won without the safety car, is utter b*llocks.
I've not suggested Hamilton wouldn't have won without the safety car at all, he probably would have done as like I said, he has incredible race craft. I'm simply saying that the safety car made it an easier win for him, which it did, he won a race having not been on pole without having to overtake anyone on track! bobbo89 said:
zebra said:
Stop going on about Hamilton being lucky. There was some luck with the safety car but Bottas needed two stops and Hamilton only required one stop amongst many other things, so to suggest that Hamilton would not have won without the safety car, is utter b*llocks.
I've not suggested Hamilton wouldn't have won without the safety car at all, he probably would have done as like I said, he has incredible race craft. I'm simply saying that the safety car made it an easier win for him, which it did, he won a race having not been on pole without having to overtake anyone on track! He would have likely won easily yesterday without the safety car with Bottas needing to make a second stop.
And with that in mind, Bottas second stop would have been much harder without his ‘luck’ of Vettel and Verstappen coming together.
Just let it go.
Grahamdub said:
Seems a distinct lack of F1 coverage on the news today. All I have seen is cricket or tennis, no mention of Lewis' win.
The BBC showed the clip of him just out of the car being interviewed, as well as his results.I think t cricket match deciding a world championship, that drew, had a "superover", and was eventually decided on the number of boundarys. Trumps what for most of the population is anticipated. A Merc win by Lewis.
We know it was a cracking race and the battles with Lewis/Bottas/Max/Charles/Vettel/Gasley were awesome. But the headline result would not be a surprise to most people (unlike the cricket, which as a non cricket follower sounds like it was stupendously unbelievable to be like that).
zebra said:
He’s won a huge number of races without being on pole. Irrelevant.
He would have likely won easily yesterday without the safety car with Bottas needing to make a second stop.
And with that in mind, Bottas second stop would have been much harder without his ‘luck’ of Vettel and Verstappen coming together.
Just let it go.
I've got nothing to let go! Are you even reading what i'm saying? He would have likely won easily yesterday without the safety car with Bottas needing to make a second stop.
And with that in mind, Bottas second stop would have been much harder without his ‘luck’ of Vettel and Verstappen coming together.
Just let it go.
I'm completely agreeing with you that he'd likely have won anyway, just that the safety car played into his hands massively and sealed the win for him earlier and more easily.
bobbo89 said:
I've got nothing to let go! Are you even reading what i'm saying?
I'm completely agreeing with you that he'd likely have won anyway, just that the safety car played into his hands massively and sealed the win for him earlier and more easily.
Psst you're not allowed to even hint at a anything not 100% positive about Lewis around here without someone getting their panties bunched.I'm completely agreeing with you that he'd likely have won anyway, just that the safety car played into his hands massively and sealed the win for him earlier and more easily.
bobbo89 said:
I've got nothing to let go! Are you even reading what i'm saying?
I'm completely agreeing with you that he'd likely have won anyway, just that the safety car played into his hands massively and sealed the win for him earlier and more easily.
And Leclerc was "lucky" Vettel and Verstappen collided. Things happen in a F1 race so don't understand your fixation with Lewis being "lucky".I'm completely agreeing with you that he'd likely have won anyway, just that the safety car played into his hands massively and sealed the win for him earlier and more easily.
Munter said:
The BBC showed the clip of him just out of the car being interviewed, as well as his results.
I think t cricket match deciding a world championship, that drew, had a "superover", and was eventually decided on the number of boundarys. Trumps what for most of the population is anticipated. A Merc win by Lewis.
We know it was a cracking race and the battles with Lewis/Bottas/Max/Charles/Vettel/Gasley were awesome. But the headline result would not be a surprise to most people (unlike the cricket, which as a non cricket follower sounds like it was stupendously unbelievable to be like that).
I missed the bit on the BBC. You are right about everyone expecting the result though. Non-F1 fans just assume Hamilton wins every race. I think t cricket match deciding a world championship, that drew, had a "superover", and was eventually decided on the number of boundarys. Trumps what for most of the population is anticipated. A Merc win by Lewis.
We know it was a cracking race and the battles with Lewis/Bottas/Max/Charles/Vettel/Gasley were awesome. But the headline result would not be a surprise to most people (unlike the cricket, which as a non cricket follower sounds like it was stupendously unbelievable to be like that).
zebra said:
bobbo89 said:
zebra said:
Stop going on about Hamilton being lucky. There was some luck with the safety car but Bottas needed two stops and Hamilton only required one stop amongst many other things, so to suggest that Hamilton would not have won without the safety car, is utter b*llocks.
I've not suggested Hamilton wouldn't have won without the safety car at all, he probably would have done as like I said, he has incredible race craft. I'm simply saying that the safety car made it an easier win for him, which it did, he won a race having not been on pole without having to overtake anyone on track! He would have likely won easily yesterday without the safety car with Bottas needing to make a second stop.
And with that in mind, Bottas second stop would have been much harder without his ‘luck’ of Vettel and Verstappen coming together.
Just let it go.
A tactical error, for Bottas at least, as they’ve now admitted, or perhaps splitting strategy. Whatever, it certainly benefitted Hamilton as did the S/C. I’m sure pitting Bottas first helped them decide how long to leave Hamilton out, too.
My impression was that most teams planned a two stop from the start. The tyre performance, safety car period and pace advantage meant Hamilton was able to switch, whereas Bottas pitted before the safety car and hadn't therefore deviated from 'plan a'.
I think Hamilton would have switched to a one-stopper in any event and won, in which case the safety car period is a moot point.
Great race.
I think Hamilton would have switched to a one-stopper in any event and won, in which case the safety car period is a moot point.
Great race.
janesmith1950 said:
My impression was that most teams planned a two stop from the start. The tyre performance, safety car period and pace advantage meant Hamilton was able to switch, whereas Bottas pitted before the safety car and hadn't therefore deviated from 'plan a'.
I think Hamilton would have switched to a one-stopper in any event and won, in which case the safety car period is a moot point.
Great race.
Yep... making the tyres last so much longer than Bottas, made the stop for the hard tyre one stopping the obvious choice. Hamilton running to the end meant the win was out of the equation for Bottas. Even if there were no safety car and he was leading, he would've had to stop for softs.I think Hamilton would have switched to a one-stopper in any event and won, in which case the safety car period is a moot point.
Great race.
And for those saying nothing bad can be said about Lewis... that's crap, it's simply what happened. Bottas benefitted from the Vettel and Max incident but they aren't saying he got lucky because of that. There are moments of luck throughout any season. Some good, some bad. Happens in life too!!
In 2021 Hamilton will be in the car he thinks most likely to return him a WDC. If I had to put money on it he’ll probably put his faith in Merc.
But he will no doubt be approached by teams of many colours claiming to have the goods for the new regs.
If Ferrari convince him, he might jump ship. But for no other reason IMHO.
But he will no doubt be approached by teams of many colours claiming to have the goods for the new regs.
If Ferrari convince him, he might jump ship. But for no other reason IMHO.
Grahamdub said:
Seems a distinct lack of F1 coverage on the news today. All I have seen is cricket or tennis, no mention of Lewis' win.
Lewis or A.N.Other in a Mercedes have been winning every second weekend for the last six years. It's hardly newsworthy anymore, other than as a matter of record.The cricket was a world cup final, which in itself happens only once every four years. Add to this that England won it for the first time ever, and in quite some dramatic fashion.
It's hardly a surprise which event is receiving the most headlines.
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