Official Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[vaud]

SmoothCriminal said:

Derek Warrick is no fan of Hamilton so no surprise there wasn't a penalty for CLC.

He doesn't have the casting vote (?) He is a steward, not the only steward,

[Deesee]

Derek Smith said:

Deesee said:

BBC JP on the ‘antics’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863

One of the two best pundits (English Media) in the paddock IMO

I agree with Palmer, which no doubt makes him feel better.

The drivers moaned about being allowed to race, and moan also about consistency. At least they won't moan when there's a serious accident caused by a driver not leaving enough room. Or maybe they will.

It was a bad move by CLC, one that should have been properly punished.

Yep, theres always someone who thinks they can go faster and take the risks, (for a GP win btw not a WDC)..

It’s taken max more than a few races or perhaps a few seasons for the comments from the grids senior drivers, to let his driving do the talking by finishing races.

There’s a few other on the grid who could heed that advice..

[SmoothCriminal]

vaud said:

SmoothCriminal said:

Derek Warrick is no fan of Hamilton so no surprise there wasn't a penalty for CLC.

He doesn't have the casting vote (?) He is a steward, not the only steward,

Yes, but he is the driver steward and can influence the decisions made.

[HighwayStar]

ukaskew said:

HighwayStar said:

Lewis said he will drive according to the new dawn of racing etiquette. Change, adapt and overcome. Other drives will be doing the same.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the first driver defending harder than previously allowed and his challenger ends up in the barriers or worse. It’s going to be interesting.

I'm not usually a fan of the Palmer columns on the BBC Sport website but he got this spot on in my opinion. It does seem as though the 'lesser' drivers in the midfield get harsher penalties, and it does also seem like it's going to take a big accident where a driver pushes another off track to get this 'new' lighter touch policy reviewed again. Had Lewis not taken evasive action off the track it's inconceivable that LeClerc would have got away without any penalty whatsoever.

Having different driver stewards at every race leads to inconsistency in what should be some fairly black and white rules ('leave a cars width under braking')

You saw where I was going with that... yep first big accident and whoa... hasty review and on the grounds of driver safer etc.. row back. It’s only a scenario but it could happen.

[swisstoni]

Derek Smith said:

Deesee said:

BBC JP on the ‘antics’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863

One of the two best pundits (English Media) in the paddock IMO

I agree with Palmer, which no doubt makes him feel better.

The drivers moaned about being allowed to race, and moan also about consistency. At least they won't moan when there's a serious accident caused by a driver not leaving enough room. Or maybe they will.

It was a bad move by CLC, one that should have been properly punished.

I agree. We all want exiting racing (and certainly Liberty would want to free things up). And the drivers want less restrictions.

But we have to remember that these regs have been arrived at through some long forgotten incidents. Probably very serious incidents.

[Ross_T_Boss]

+1 again for Palmer, he called it right in Canada when he explained why the stewards were correct with the controversial and generally condemned Vet-Ham incident, and called it again here. As much as I enjoyed the continued fight and end result, pulling a squeeze into the braking zone at that chicane should have earned the young lad a slap on the wrist. He seems reflective and hopefully in hindsight recognises the danger and modifies his defense accordingly.

I read a quote from Hamilton that he would have let LeClerc hit him were he not thinking about maintaining his WDC lead. In years past I think he would have held his ground regardless, took a more measured approach. His moan about inconsistency seemed a bit like sour grapes, but in hindsight that was also a measured response.

[otherman]

paulguitar said:

otherman said:

Then Senna tried the same thing with Mansell (in Barcelona in 91, there's a clip on youtube) and ended up doing 200 at the end of the straight about an inch apart, because Nigel wasn't giving an inch of road.

Senna did not try to run Mansell off the road at all. They simply went alongside each other on the straight and Mansell was able to brake a bit later in the Williams.

Well OK, not off the road, but off the racing line, too tight into the corner where you can't turn in properly. In the end Senna had to move out to the wide line and couldn't complete the move, which is why Nigel could brake later. They had some great battles those two, really trusted each other not to crash.

[Blink982]

What exactly is this supposed beef between LH and Warwick? LH was very vocal of his support for Silverstone, particularly this year which I have no doubt had some influence to renew/extend Silverstone's contract. Well, that and the money that the 250,000 bring in on a race weekend. Warwick must realise this.

[ChocolateFrog]

vaud said:

paulguitar said:

If Lewis became a Ferrari driver, the Tifosi would worship him which would be funny, if a little pathetic, to watch.

I'm not sure.

There is a lot of inherent racism in Italy. I was at the race in general admission seats (i.e. lots of locals) in 2009 when Lewis crashed on the last lap challenging the Brawns.

The locals were very derogatory towards him; although my Italian is limited I think it had something to do with his heritage rather than his driving skills.

You'll be hounded out for daring to suggest italians are, on the whole, a racist bunch.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

vaud said:

I'm not sure.

There is a lot of inherent racism in Italy. I was at the race in general admission seats (i.e. lots of locals) in 2009 when Lewis crashed on the last lap challenging the Brawns.

The locals were very derogatory towards him; although my Italian is limited I think it had something to do with his heritage rather than his driving skills.

I’ve said this for years, the biggest challenge would be the national racism towards him.

I actually think he’d enjoy trying to change people’s perceptions about that mind you.

[swisstoni]

If I was him I’d enjoy peeing on their chips for as long as possible.

[kambites]

ChocolateFrog said:

You'll be hounded out for daring to suggest italians are, on the whole, a racist bunch.

To be fair, he didn't say the British were any better.

[vaud]

kambites said:

To be fair, he didn't say the British were any better.

Indeed.

The Italians loved Gilles and Nigel as non-Italians driving Ferraris. Ditto Schumacher and they seem to get behind Vettel when he is on form.

I just can't see the same with Hamilton if he drove for them...

[C70R]

ChocolateFrog said:

You'll be hounded out for daring to suggest italians are, on the whole, a racist bunch.

Nah. Italian sports fans are a lovely, misunderstood bunch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_associatio...

[ukaskew]

C70R said:

Nah. Italian sports fans are a lovely, misunderstood bunch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_associatio...

Yup, the recent stuff with Lukaku is mind boggling.

[M4CK 1]

Derek Smith said:

Deesee said:

BBC JP on the ‘antics’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863

One of the two best pundits (English Media) in the paddock IMO

I agree with Palmer, which no doubt makes him feel better.

The drivers moaned about being allowed to race, and moan also about consistency. At least they won't moan when there's a serious accident caused by a driver not leaving enough room. Or maybe they will.

It was a bad move by CLC, one that should have been properly punished.

I'd like to echo this comment.
What would've happened if Lewis not taken to the escape road.
What would've happened if Lewis underbraking on the grass verge, had gone sideways.
What what would've happened if they had clipped wheels if Hamilton had refused to move over.
OBLITERATION.
Both Hamilton and Charles would've had a major crash.

Weaving under braking and leaving your opponent enough space on track was made a rule for a good reason!!!!
Is this what the fans want??
Yes we want hard racing but it's more enjoyable when it's fair!!!!!

[Hungrymc]

M4CK 1 said:

Weaving under braking and leaving your opponent enough space on track was made a rule for a good reason!!!!
Is this what the fans want??
Yes we want hard racing but it's more enjoyable when it's fair!!!!!

I think fans (some fans) want this flexibility when it helps to level the playing field and create a popular result. Most fans know the call for "let them race" after Seb's rejoin / squeeze on Lewis (Was it Canada?) was more about the entertainment spectacle than the any encouragement of good clean hard racing (because it wasn't clean).

Positioning in overtaking is highly nuanced. We will soon enough hear from people who see no difference between changing line to close a car off track on the out side while it was along side in a breaking zone, with taking the inside line on turn in before a passing car has gotten along side. It is hard to define simple rules that suit every possible scenario but moving under braking and allowing a cars width is one that generally everyone gets and isn't contentious. Corner exits are going to get really messy now (they were already less clear than corner entry / braking).

I think adding the need for contact to make it a proper penalty is a ridiculous decision.

That's said, I enjoyed LEC's win, he flirted with and stepped over the line, but he got away with it and has probably established a new precedent for moving in the braking zone. Championship contenders will avoid contact, everyone else who feels wronged will be making sure there is a touch.... In open wheeled cars, that's a ridiculous thing to encourage.

[Double gauche]

M4CK 1 said:

Derek Smith said:

Deesee said:

BBC JP on the ‘antics’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863

One of the two best pundits (English Media) in the paddock IMO

I agree with Palmer, which no doubt makes him feel better.

The drivers moaned about being allowed to race, and moan also about consistency. At least they won't moan when there's a serious accident caused by a driver not leaving enough room. Or maybe they will.

It was a bad move by CLC, one that should have been properly punished.

I'd like to echo this comment.
What would've happened if Lewis not taken to the escape road.
What would've happened if Lewis underbraking on the grass verge, had gone sideways.
What what would've happened if they had clipped wheels if Hamilton had refused to move over.
OBLITERATION.
Both Hamilton and Charles would've had a major crash.

Weaving under braking and leaving your opponent enough space on track was made a rule for a good reason!!!!
Is this what the fans want??
Yes we want hard racing but it's more enjoyable when it's fair!!!!!

what was lewis doing there though?
no chance of an overtake around the outside
he wasnt fully alongside
only bad things can happen
why is it different from the albon sainz incident ?

[DIW35]

If he could have stayed on the outside through the first part of the chicane, he would have been on the inside for the second part. Simple geometry.

[iandc]

Double gauche said:

what was lewis doing there though?
no chance of an overtake around the outside
he wasnt fully alongside
only bad things can happen
why is it different from the albon sainz incident ?

Ah so Lewis's fault then!! That clarifies why no penalty for CLC. Maybe it's because he comes from Monaco.
Interesting reaction from Lewis. Not a great deal of moaning and seems to relish going head to head in future races. I imagine Max and Seb would have same reaction!!!! Well not Seb 'cause he wouldn't be that close!!!