Official 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Discussion
Hungrymc said:
That’s a very sympathetic to George view. It was an error by George and I think he’d be better off admitting it and apologizing instead of trying to create an angle where by its Bottas’ fault.
A bit ironic that he made Lewis pass on the wet line when he was being blue flagged, but thinks Bottas should have kept some dry line for him when trying to pass for position.
I think he just got a bit over excited. Not the end of the world, but he’d save face by being a bit more honest about it.
That's my view. Fair enough being angry at the time, but after a cool down he should have been more prosaic- racing incident, glad everyone was safe, VB left me little room and I hit a damp patch, sA bit ironic that he made Lewis pass on the wet line when he was being blue flagged, but thinks Bottas should have kept some dry line for him when trying to pass for position.
I think he just got a bit over excited. Not the end of the world, but he’d save face by being a bit more honest about it.
t happens. Shame, I was doing so well.Instead it struck me that he was trying to hide his embarrasment. Blew a points finish trying to overtake the seat he wanted, red mist and ego led him to go for a shrinking gap and now he's cost Merc a fortune, cost Williams a fortune and damaged the points tally of both.
By going all indignant he's only made it look even worse.
paulguitar said:
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Let's not forget Max almost didn't make the restart due to his own mistake. Lots of pressure on both, and it is showing already.
TheDeuce said:
Indeed! They both know it's close, it's so close imo. Ideas of RB being 'way faster' are nonsense, they're perhaps a tiny bit faster overall - both drivers know full well they have the ability to make the difference if they play their season perfectly. It's literally the end of an era and this final season is gifting us a genuine driver v driver battle - we should enjoy and embrace
Completely agree. We have potentially one of the greatest seasons ever in prospect. 
While I'd agree on it being a racing incident, it did look like he was jumping on the pass from quite far back. A bit of patience and some more pressure on Bottas would have done the job.
No updates on the cars following the incident, I wonder it it's mainly that so many parts will be needed.
They'll definitely have enough to rebuild the car, but I would think they'll be busy making up a load more to replenish what spares they'll be needing for the next race.
No updates on the cars following the incident, I wonder it it's mainly that so many parts will be needed.
They'll definitely have enough to rebuild the car, but I would think they'll be busy making up a load more to replenish what spares they'll be needing for the next race.
thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
I agree too. I think GR is generally extremely mature and measured for a young lad (way more than I was!!) but at the end of the day he is still a young lad. Today he was shaken by the shunt and frustrated it happened - he reacted in the moment and now has to either lose face or stick to his initial reaction and blame Bottas...
I think the best thing for George is to move on and forget this incident publicly, and learn from it privately. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to understand it was an unfortunate racing incident and not an unfair attack.
I'm starting to worry a bit about George. A few times now he's been in a good position and thrown away potential points. He still hasn't scored for Williams. Some drivers seem to be able to maximise all these opportunities, and he doesn't seem to be. He needs to be careful that he doesn't let a potentially great career slip from his grasp like he seems to be doing with these points.I think the best thing for George is to move on and forget this incident publicly, and learn from it privately. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to understand it was an unfortunate racing incident and not an unfair attack.
A bit 'race by numbers' maybe...? Either way, I still think he's got whichever Merc seat vacates first, he's more than good enough to drive a top car. I just can't quite picture him being a no1 or taking a title..
Look, come on - we all love George and think Bottas is plodding in a race winning car. But that was primarily Russell's fault, he knew it was damp out there, he chose to risk it - might have worked, might not. It didn't. He is not Jesus. He buggered up and spooned into and pretty much wrote off a car for the team he is a young driver for. Bad form for raging at Bottas after such a big shunt as well, irrespective of fault. See Irvine and Burti at Spa for how to behave after a big one.
TheDeuce said:
thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
I agree too. I think GR is generally extremely mature and measured for a young lad (way more than I was!!) but at the end of the day he is still a young lad. Today he was shaken by the shunt and frustrated it happened - he reacted in the moment and now has to either lose face or stick to his initial reaction and blame Bottas...
I think the best thing for George is to move on and forget this incident publicly, and learn from it privately. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to understand it was an unfortunate racing incident and not an unfair attack.
I'm starting to worry a bit about George. A few times now he's been in a good position and thrown away potential points. He still hasn't scored for Williams. Some drivers seem to be able to maximise all these opportunities, and he doesn't seem to be. He needs to be careful that he doesn't let a potentially great career slip from his grasp like he seems to be doing with these points.I think the best thing for George is to move on and forget this incident publicly, and learn from it privately. I'm sure he's intelligent enough to understand it was an unfortunate racing incident and not an unfair attack.
A bit 'race by numbers' maybe...? Either way, I still think he's got whichever Merc seat vacates first, he's more than good enough to drive a top car. I just can't quite picture him being a no1 or taking a title..
Speed Badger said:
Look, come on - we all love George and think Bottas is plodding in a race winning car. But that was primarily Russell's fault, he knew it was damp out there, he chose to risk it - might have worked, might not. It didn't. He is not Jesus. He buggered up and spooned into and pretty much wrote off a car for the team he is a young driver for. Bad form for raging at Bottas after such a big shunt as well, irrespective of fault. See Irvine and Burti at Spa for how to behave after a big one.
Yep. If we ignore his slight immaturity in terms of reaction, the actual incident itself isn't that much of a big deal. These things happen... And if it had happened slightly differently we would all be saying he was a genius and super accurate to slip past Bottas without incident Muzzer79 said:
aston80 said:
Graveworm said:
Who have they been lapped by? Max, so they go a lap behind Max but what about the cars that haven't lapped them? The first car un-lapped by anyone could have been 2 seconds in front of the car behind them, before the red flag/safety car but, at the restart, with your plan they are a lap down and that racing is over.
Lets say order they entered the pit lane was this:1, 2, 12, 13, 14, 3, 15, 16, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 17, 18, 19, 20
On the restart 1 and 2 go
12, 13, 14 wait,
3 goes,
15, 16 wait
4 to 11 go
12 to 14 can finally move
15, 16 go
17 to 20 go
Lapped cars are still a lap behind.
Where's the problem?
With 10 teams all controlling 20 drivers, simplicity is key. Either stay where you are or unlap yourself.
Sometimes you benefit, Hamilton being case in point today. There will be a time when Verstappen will benefit.
You’re trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
There used to be this rule whereby lapped cars were ushered pass the safety car to unlap themselves so that the race could resume with the leaders in the correct position. This sometimes was a cumbersome process which took more than one or two laps to resolve. It didn't make very good viewing and made the "pinnacle of motorsport" look clumsy.
So this is more efficient to get the lapped cars to go first and end by them being at the back of the pack. So lapped cars were always allowed to unlap themselves, that hasn't changed. The way they are doing it has changed.
aston80 said:
Graveworm said:
Who have they been lapped by? Max, so they go a lap behind Max but what about the cars that haven't lapped them? The first car un-lapped by anyone could have been 2 seconds in front of the car behind them, before the red flag/safety car but, at the restart, with your plan they are a lap down and that racing is over.
Lets say order they entered the pit lane was this:1, 2, 12, 13, 14, 3, 15, 16, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 17, 18, 19, 20
On the restart 1 and 2 go
12, 13, 14 wait,
3 goes,
15, 16 wait
4 to 11 go
12 to 14 can finally move
15, 16 go
17 to 20 go
Lapped cars are still a lap behind.
Where's the problem?
Never seen you complain any other race and lapped cars have been unlapping themselves for years
Speed Badger said:
Look, come on - we all love George and think Bottas is plodding in a race winning car. But that was primarily Russell's fault, he knew it was damp out there, he chose to risk it - might have worked, might not. It didn't. He is not Jesus. He buggered up and spooned into and pretty much wrote off a car for the team he is a young driver for. Bad form for raging at Bottas after such a big shunt as well, irrespective of fault. See Irvine and Burti at Spa for how to behave after a big one.
Definitely primarily Russell's fault. At first I thought Bottas had squeezed him off the track but he left enough room. He did move to the right and that looked like it spooked Russell who reacted and moved too far to the right himself. In the act of making sure he didn't hit the Merc he actually hit the Merc.
If he had held his nerve then it probably would have been a great overtake.
It's all easy with hindsight.
Murghee said:
If lewis wasnt a lap down and say i dunno max/perez/danny ric/bottas or whoever your favourite driver is then would you be moaning if theu got thier lap unlapped and came second? Or is it just because lewis made the most of it your moaning about the rules?
Never seen you complain any other race and lapped cars have been unlapping themselves for years
I think that is the main issue. Another example is when Verstappen closed the gap from Lewis at the start of the raise into turn 1. Lewis had to take to the grass, nearly span it, came back on the track with a bit of floor damage. It's a racing incident so carry on racing.Never seen you complain any other race and lapped cars have been unlapping themselves for years
Had it been the other way round, like in Austria last year when Hamilton did the same to Albon, Hamilton got a penalty.
leef44 said:
I think that is the main issue. Another example is when Verstappen closed the gap from Lewis at the start of the raise into turn 1. Lewis had to take to the grass, nearly span it, came back on the track with a bit of floor damage. It's a racing incident so carry on racing.
Had it been the other way round, like in Austria last year when Hamilton did the same to Albon, Hamilton got a penalty.
Not the same thing at all and first lap incidents are always looked at differently Had it been the other way round, like in Austria last year when Hamilton did the same to Albon, Hamilton got a penalty.
Muzzer79 said:
How about the fact that it would take another 5 laps for everyone to get in the right order?
With 10 teams all controlling 20 drivers, simplicity is key. Either stay where you are or unlap yourself.
Sometimes you benefit, Hamilton being case in point today. There will be a time when Verstappen will benefit.
You’re trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
Hamilton went from 80 seconds and one lap behind Ver, to 8 seconds and 0 laps.With 10 teams all controlling 20 drivers, simplicity is key. Either stay where you are or unlap yourself.
Sometimes you benefit, Hamilton being case in point today. There will be a time when Verstappen will benefit.
You’re trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
It is broken
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