Official 2022 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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Sandpit Steve said:
SturdyHSV said:
As I understand things, the TD introduced an allowance to run a second stay to support the floor, which Merc already had on their car when they turned up?
May have got the wrong end of the stick of the timeline wrong though, I'm sure Netflix will have caught the action anyway
IIRC, one of the teams (Alfa Romeo?) ran a second stay in Baku, which was mentioned in the FIA article about the TD. This was from where Mercedes got the idea, rather than being tipped off by the FIA. May have got the wrong end of the stick of the timeline wrong though, I'm sure Netflix will have caught the action anyway
Siao said:
Any links on this? The TD only came out last week, after Baku, so why would Alfa (or whoever) run an illegal car with two stays?
It was Haas in Barcelona, rather than AR in Baku. Was mentioned in post #112 on this thread.
“ Because of the short notice, teams are being considered for the Canadian GP to allow a second ground support cable a little further forward or to stiffen the ground, as Haas did in Barcelona, for example.”
honda_exige said:
Looks like it's all kicking off with Renault, Ferrari and RB being convinced that the FIA 'illegally' tipped off Merc about the incoming rule changes pre-canada.
Not a chance the FIA tipped Mercedes off, my guess is Mercedes had the second stay all ready to go in case it would be allowed.Sandpit Steve said:
Siao said:
Any links on this? The TD only came out last week, after Baku, so why would Alfa (or whoever) run an illegal car with two stays?
It was Haas in Barcelona, rather than AR in Baku. Was mentioned in post #112 on this thread.
“ Because of the short notice, teams are being considered for the Canadian GP to allow a second ground support cable a little further forward or to stiffen the ground, as Haas did in Barcelona, for example.”
Edit to add - This doesn't mention that Haas added a second stay, only that they would stiffen the floor. And I believe Haas didn't bring any updates to Barcelona, like most other teams. So I'm not sure about this post.
Edited by Siao on Wednesday 22 June 10:55
Siao said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Siao said:
Any links on this? The TD only came out last week, after Baku, so why would Alfa (or whoever) run an illegal car with two stays?
It was Haas in Barcelona, rather than AR in Baku. Was mentioned in post #112 on this thread.
“ Because of the short notice, teams are being considered for the Canadian GP to allow a second ground support cable a little further forward or to stiffen the ground, as Haas did in Barcelona, for example.”
honda_exige said:
Siao said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Siao said:
Any links on this? The TD only came out last week, after Baku, so why would Alfa (or whoever) run an illegal car with two stays?
It was Haas in Barcelona, rather than AR in Baku. Was mentioned in post #112 on this thread.
“ Because of the short notice, teams are being considered for the Canadian GP to allow a second ground support cable a little further forward or to stiffen the ground, as Haas did in Barcelona, for example.”
I thought that they could run what they like in FP1 and FP3 and then from FP3 onwards they need to run under the regs?
Hence why they can run with all the aero rakes, etc. attached in FP1 & 2.
So you could run a second stay at a place you thought needed stiffening to see if it worked before going to the expense of making a whole new floor, then take it off for FP3 onwards.
Hence why they can run with all the aero rakes, etc. attached in FP1 & 2.
So you could run a second stay at a place you thought needed stiffening to see if it worked before going to the expense of making a whole new floor, then take it off for FP3 onwards.
Edited by mycool on Wednesday 22 June 16:17
mycool said:
I thought that they could run what they like in FP1 and FP3 and then from FP3 onwards they need to run under the regs?
Hence why they can run with all the aero rakes, etc. attached in FP1 & 2.
So you could run a second stay at a place you thought needed stiffening to see if it worked before going to the expense of making a whole new floor, then take it off for FP3 onwards.
Free practice is subject to scrutineering, IIRC. Teams self declare and then stewards can inspect if they wish.Hence why they can run with all the aero rakes, etc. attached in FP1 & 2.
So you could run a second stay at a place you thought needed stiffening to see if it worked before going to the expense of making a whole new floor, then take it off for FP3 onwards.
Edited by mycool on Wednesday 22 June 16:17
Once Hamilton has a sniff of something worth going for we saw a better Merc and a better driver. He took 5 secs out of Georgey boy in half a dozen or so laps. So those that think Hamilton is past it may want to review the last part of the race.
I have always felt that this season Hamilton is operating at 99% maybe not consciously but after years of going to races with a better than average chance of winning, plus the way the season ended it must be difficult to operate at 100%. But when he did Georgey boy was struggling to keep up.
I have always felt that this season Hamilton is operating at 99% maybe not consciously but after years of going to races with a better than average chance of winning, plus the way the season ended it must be difficult to operate at 100%. But when he did Georgey boy was struggling to keep up.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Once Hamilton has a sniff of something worth going for we saw a better Merc and a better driver. He took 5 secs out of Georgey boy in half a dozen or so laps. So those that think Hamilton is past it may want to review the last part of the race.
I have always felt that this season Hamilton is operating at 99% maybe not consciously but after years of going to races with a better than average chance of winning, plus the way the season ended it must be difficult to operate at 100%. But when he did Georgey boy was struggling to keep up.
There is a pattern. At the start of the season Hamilton often looks a bit less strong than normal. There was a false dawn for Bottas at the start of pretty much every season they were together. By the European leg of the season Hamilton has hit form leaving Valterri to win only in his specialist circuits and circumstances. I have always felt that this season Hamilton is operating at 99% maybe not consciously but after years of going to races with a better than average chance of winning, plus the way the season ended it must be difficult to operate at 100%. But when he did Georgey boy was struggling to keep up.
I wouldn't try to ascribe Hamilton being beaten regularly by Russell so far this season to any one factor. The team are quick to give him get-outs on the technical side, but he has in the past appeared to need the car to meet him half way in order to really push on. There is also a question of 'motivation'...
Hamilton in my opinion is like a Rottweiler once he has a sniff of a title, possibly the best ever in a championship battle, but he seems to need a motivation building result to provide the spark. Alternatively, maybe he just needs a period to come to terms with the car and performance develop it to the point that he can work with it.
Russell has without question performed astonishingly well so far this season and has dealt with whatever car he has been given. He is one of the three standout drivers of this season in my opinion. Hamilton is not one of the three at this stage. However I have watched enough F1 to not declare Hamilton vs. Russell done and dusted.
HustleRussell said:
There is a pattern. At the start of the season Hamilton often looks a bit less strong than normal. There was a false dawn for Bottas at the start of pretty much every season they were together. By the European leg of the season Hamilton has hit form leaving Valterri to win only in his specialist circuits and circumstances.
I wouldn't try to ascribe Hamilton being beaten regularly by Russell so far this season to any one factor. The team are quick to give him get-outs on the technical side, but he has in the past appeared to need the car to meet him half way in order to really push on. There is also a question of 'motivation'...
Hamilton in my opinion is like a Rottweiler once he has a sniff of a title, possibly the best ever in a championship battle, but he seems to need a motivation building result to provide the spark. Alternatively, maybe he just needs a period to come to terms with the car and performance develop it to the point that he can work with it.
Russell has without question performed astonishingly well so far this season and has dealt with whatever car he has been given. He is one of the three standout drivers of this season in my opinion. Hamilton is not one of the three at this stage. However I have watched enough F1 to not declare Hamilton vs. Russell done and dusted.
I don’t believe any driver doesn’t want to beat their team mate first and foremost. I wouldn't try to ascribe Hamilton being beaten regularly by Russell so far this season to any one factor. The team are quick to give him get-outs on the technical side, but he has in the past appeared to need the car to meet him half way in order to really push on. There is also a question of 'motivation'...
Hamilton in my opinion is like a Rottweiler once he has a sniff of a title, possibly the best ever in a championship battle, but he seems to need a motivation building result to provide the spark. Alternatively, maybe he just needs a period to come to terms with the car and performance develop it to the point that he can work with it.
Russell has without question performed astonishingly well so far this season and has dealt with whatever car he has been given. He is one of the three standout drivers of this season in my opinion. Hamilton is not one of the three at this stage. However I have watched enough F1 to not declare Hamilton vs. Russell done and dusted.
RB Will said:
I'd be amazed if the last 15 laps were representative of Georges true pace and not a case of just bring it home where you are lads.
Agreed. Sure the gap extended out to 10 seconds, but Russell stabilised the gap both from his teammate and to Leclerc behind him. Also George was routinely putting in PB laps towards the end of the race with seemingly little effort. He was certainly cruising after the SC, and only picked up the pace when Leclerc moved into P5.Anyone who doesn't, I would recommend checking out the live timings during a race if you can. Russell is very good at managing his pace and is able to pick up the pace significantly when required.
But we also had some very clear visual proof of very different car set ups at Mercedes (and not driven by one being out of position or anything like that). They are clearly still experimenting even as they enter parc ferme conditions. Would you rather the high or low drag set up in wet qualifying ? Then which in the dry race ?
In spells each has looked quicker, but we know there are car shenanigans going on for the greater good. We’ve seen nothing yet this year to say either is clearly the better driver. We have seen plenty to suggest George is a real talent and may be as good as anyone, but we also have seen Lewis working some extreme setups, getting some poor luck, and still putting in strong drives. I wouldn’t even try to rate them against each other with what we’ve seen so far.
In spells each has looked quicker, but we know there are car shenanigans going on for the greater good. We’ve seen nothing yet this year to say either is clearly the better driver. We have seen plenty to suggest George is a real talent and may be as good as anyone, but we also have seen Lewis working some extreme setups, getting some poor luck, and still putting in strong drives. I wouldn’t even try to rate them against each other with what we’ve seen so far.
Hungrymc said:
I wouldn’t even try to rate them against each other with what we’ve seen so far.
It would be unwise to do so. I believe Lewis stated to the press that maybe George can run the more extreme set-ups for a while. That to me indicates he has had the most risky options thus far and this will almost certainly impact upon his times...Hungrymc said:
I wouldn’t even try to rate them against each other with what we’ve seen so far.
It would be unwise to do so. I believe Lewis stated to the press that maybe George can run the more extreme set-ups for a while. That to me indicates he has had the most risky options thus far and this will almost certainly impact upon his times...Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff