Official 2022 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[DBSV8]

strange comment from coulthard after le Clerk had changed to hard tyres ,, he said Charles should trust the team.......it was not his decision to go to hards !!

[NRS]

SturdyHSV said:

...tell them they're doing great and try to excuse the mistakes to try and help build their confidence (his current approach it seems)...

It's impossible to know without being there. A manager is very unlikely to say his people are st to the wider world. If there is stuff going on it will be internal and not in public. Just look at Alpine just now for how to mess up stuff in public!

[SturdyHSV]

NRS said:

SturdyHSV said:

...tell them they're doing great and try to excuse the mistakes to try and help build their confidence (his current approach it seems)...

It's impossible to know without being there. A manager is very unlikely to say his people are st to the wider world. If there is stuff going on it will be internal and not in public.

Well that's fair, but then these threads would be pretty quiet without wild uninformed speculation from people with no idea what's happening internally

[Hungrymc]

It is almost as if Ferrari had two different people making the decisions.
One deciding when to pit (only really looking at covering RedBull)
And another running round the back of the garage to see what tyres they could sling on.

Maybe they had some reason to believe they would have the pace they needed on the Hards? Seems unlikely I know.

[MustangGT]

honda_exige said:

Max took Perez under braking into the chicane, it wasn't a pull over on a straight and let him past kind of deal. There wasn't a radio call, sure Perez didn't put up a fight but hardly unusual.

I have no idea what race you were watching, Checo clearly let Max pass and not be held up in any way whatsoever. He slowed down on the straight much earlier than normal.

[glazbagun]

SturdyHSV said:

His options are either tell them they're st and must do better, fire a few people and generally shout (the old Ferrari / Stroll method presumably), tell them they're doing great and try to excuse the mistakes to try and help build their confidence (his current approach it seems), or some sort of elusive 'middle ground' that could almost be described as good management

I wonder what the debriefing is like at Ferrari. Surely the questions are self evident. What did we do? why did we do it? what coulld we have done? Why didn't we?

Or is it just a squabble of finger pointing and blame shifting. Their car and engine guys are clearly working well, but I wouldn't bet against Merc passing them in the CC given the latters history of digging deep.

[CoolHands]

Maybe the RB team are just smarter. Probably a couple of people there that can always see the big picture even in such a time-pressured environment. What do you do if your team are a bit slow?

[eps]

CoolHands said:

Maybe the RB team are just smarter. Probably a couple of people there that can always see the big picture even in such a time-pressured environment. What do you do if your team are a bit slow?

Not sure about smarter, but they have been there before and are a bit cooler and less flappable. To be fair Merc used to do it to them.

I'm just shocked (still) at Ferrari. They would have sat down and gone "right Medium, Medium, Soft. That's our quickest strategy." Longer first stint, longer second stint and presumably a longer third stint on the Softs as the track is now fully rubbered in and the cars are lower in fuel. So RBR pit and George and they felt the need to react/cover those. You'd do it with one car but not both - split the strategy and then you can react to other influences such as the weather/rain.. or maybe they were hoping for rain which never really came. They just seemed to engineer a really bad result for themselves. RBR started P10 and P11!!! They threw away their advantage, RBR didn't gain the advantage.

But then Hungary does seem to have a track record of throwing up unexpected race results over the years.

[entropy]

Ferrari have had a tendency to run batst strategies ever since Binotto took over.

[Yazza54]

entropy said:

Ferrari have had a tendency to run batst strategies ever since Binotto took over.

It's a strange one, I find stuff like that often comes from people trying to steal a win, trying to be over strategic to the point of totally fking the strategy. I've seen it in various levels of Motorsport, like a fast lad (or lady!!) putting wets on cos their iPhone weather app says there's a 50% chance of rain, even when in real time it's cracking the flags.

It's one thing gambling when you are a backmarker team but to gamble when you have front running cars and drivers is really bizarre, it's like they lack confidence to trust the process and win on pace. Red bulls strategies don't tend to be anything too spectacular for example, just sensible.

Merc have been known to fk it with desperate moves from time to time as well but I've never seen anything like Ferraris woeful decision making this season.

[Yazza54]

Durzel said:

wpa1975 said:

Horner at it again: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/horner-not-one-o...

Headline doing a lot of heavy lifting in that article.

The guy said that last season was like a heavyweight bout and that he'd prefer not to have to go through that again. That's basically it.

Yep. There's literally nothing wrong with anything he said.

[Maxdecel]

Well it wasn't the tyres <-Finger. From the horses mouth. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.binotto...
They surely didn't forget to factor in the lower ambient ?

[entropy]

Yazza54 said:

Red bulls strategies don't tend to be anything too spectacular for example, just sensible.

When RBR were outright second/third best team they've taken strategic gambles/rolled the dice because when you're in a position with less to lose and stolen wins from Merc in the past. You take less risks when you're leading because you have more to lose.

[Yazza54]

entropy said:

Yazza54 said:

Red bulls strategies don't tend to be anything too spectacular for example, just sensible.

When RBR were outright second/third best team they've taken strategic gambles/rolled the dice because when you're in a position with less to lose and stolen wins from Merc in the past. You take less risks when you're leading because you have more to lose.

You're stating the obvious.

What I'm saying is Ferrari should have the same mentality. They were the favourites last weekend and totally fked it.

[mw88]

A scary graph from RaceFans showing how much Ferrari have thrown away in the last 10 races.

Going from 46 points up in Australia to 80 behind.



https://www.racefans.net/2022/08/04/how-to-lose-a-...

[HardtopManual]

mw88 said:

A scary graph from RaceFans showing how much Ferrari have thrown away in the last 10 races.

Going from 46 points up in Australia to 80 behind.



https://www.racefans.net/2022/08/04/how-to-lose-a-...

I’m sure someone on here will do the maths, but Leclerc has thrown away 30+ points with mistakes (Imola + Hungaroring) and Ferrari will have chucked away double that with DNFs and strategy errors. Leclerc really could still be in the lead of the WDC.

[anonymous-user]

HardtopManual said:

I’m sure someone on here will do the maths, but Leclerc has thrown away 30+ points with mistakes (Imola + Hungaroring) and Ferrari will have chucked away double that with DNFs and strategy errors. Leclerc really could still be in the lead of the WDC.

The weekend debrief on SkyF1 did a chart showing where Leclerc would be without the DNF's or screw ups, he was well in the lead. They have thrown it away.

[Deesee]

Merc are only 10 points behind on last years WCC tally race for race..

[C70R]

Deesee said:

Merc are only 10 points behind on last years WCC tally race for race..

That's quite mad really. With an objectively worse car relative to others on the grid, and having a new driver in the team, it goes to prove the old adage about first finishing to finish first. Reliability has been their friend this year.

[Byker28i]

C70R said:

Deesee said:

Merc are only 10 points behind on last years WCC tally race for race..

That's quite mad really. With an objectively worse car relative to others on the grid, and having a new driver in the team, it goes to prove the old adage about first finishing to finish first. Reliability has been their friend this year.

and then they'll be penalties coming up in the second half for extra power unit bits etc that will need to be taken?