Christian Horner
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SpeckledJim said:
He's a professional pain in the arse. I love hating loving it.
I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
Piginapoke said:
SpeckledJim said:
He's a professional pain in the arse. I love hating loving it.
I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
And he knows he's on a wind-up. I expect he's great company when he's not on company time.
Piginapoke said:
SpeckledJim said:
He's a professional pain in the arse. I love hating loving it.
I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
His ability to wind up large Austrian blokes is just another feather in his cap.
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
no one is questioning his achievements ...they're questioning his inability to be less of a smug duplicitous prickPiginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC 
) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation (hmmm) for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
I agree with some and fixed the glaring error!) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation (hmmm) for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!Piginapoke said:
SpeckledJim said:
He's a professional pain in the arse. I love hating loving it.
I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!I quite like Toto but I find the whole scene of the constant petty needling from CH bloody hilarious. He's like a fly around a horse.
He was the youngest team principal and, as you rightly point out, took a team that was a bit of a laughing stock (Jaguar) and turned them into world champions.
He doesn't say anything without a reason to, that reason being for the benefit of Red Bull. In many ways, he reminds me of a peak Ron Dennis.
However
angrymoby said:
smug duplicitous prick
This.....PhilAsia said:
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC ) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation (hmmm) for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
I agree with some and fixed the glaring error!) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation (hmmm) for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
Piginapoke said:
PhilAsia said:
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC ) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation (hmmm) for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
I agree with some and fixed the glaring error!) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation (hmmm) for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
The guy is under massive pressure from Dr Marko looking over his shoulder every moment of the day so he has to have some release. What better way then busting the balls of Toto.
From the outside looking in, Red Bull does seem like the most fun team to be part of so he must be doing something right.
From the outside looking in, Red Bull does seem like the most fun team to be part of so he must be doing something right.
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
He's been very successful, there is no doubt there. He comes across as a very slimy individual, perhaps a sociopath, although one suspects there are several of those in F1 circles. Either way, Horner is someone who makes me feel uneasy as he's almost always lying or gaslighting. Little to admire, despite the success.
paulguitar said:
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
He's been very successful, there is no doubt there. He comes across as a very slimy individual, perhaps a sociopath, although one suspects there are several of those in F1 circles. Either way, Horner is someone who makes me feel uneasy as he's almost always lying or gaslighting. Little to admire, despite the success.
Successful. Disagreeable.
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
A big assumption there, that Max is the best driver of his generation. I think a number of other drivers are likely to be his equal, or better:George Russell
Lando Norris
Carlos Sainz
Charles LeClerc
to name but a few.
MustangGT said:
Piginapoke said:
I think this forum is tough on CH. He improved Jaguar from a laughing stock to champions, attracted and kept Newey, got a tune (and WDC) out of Honda, secured the services of the best driver of this generation for the long term and signed two huge sponsorship deals. He’s also set up a whole new model for F1 engines, which the sport sorely needs. I’d cut him some slack!
A big assumption there, that Max is the best driver of his generation. I think a number of other drivers are likely to be his equal, or better:George Russell
Lando Norris
Carlos Sainz
Charles LeClerc
to name but a few.
MustangGT said:
A big assumption there, that Max is the best driver of his generation. I think a number of other drivers are likely to be his equal, or better:
George Russell
Lando Norris
Carlos Sainz
Charles LeClerc
to name but a few.
I think in terms of raw talent, Max is the most gifted of his bunch, by that measure alone I'd actually put him up with Hamilton. He's a long, long way from fulfilling it still though, as we saw repeatedly last year with the sort of gung ho moves that are usually ironed out by the time a driver reaches F1 still being regularly used by Max.George Russell
Lando Norris
Carlos Sainz
Charles LeClerc
to name but a few.
It will be interesting to see where he goes from here. He's got his WDC*, he could go on to get further (legitimate) ones, or he could perhaps find things hard going if the drivers listed above 'do a Lewis' and decline to dive out of his way.
I tend to dislike 'Whinger Spice' during the season and particularly when hes sticking up for his drivers failings (whihc actually is a very good thing for a manager to do). But as per above, I thyink actually hes a pretty decent guy, hams it up a bit for TV, porbably enjoys playing the villain a bit too much.
But...
Presuming Ed said:
Red Bull does seem like the most fun team to be part of so he must be doing something right.
No way, its Mclaren, surely! Have you never watched an episode on 'unboxed' ?!paulguitar said:
I think in terms of raw talent, Max is the most gifted of his bunch, by that measure alone I'd actually put him up with Hamilton. He's a long, long way from fulfilling it still though, as we saw repeatedly last year with the sort of gung ho moves that are usually ironed out by the time a driver reaches F1 still being regularly used by Max.
It will be interesting to see where he goes from here. He's got his WDC*, he could go on to get further (legitimate) ones, or he could perhaps find things hard going if the drivers listed above 'do a Lewis' and decline to dive out of his way.
I would disagree. Max is undoubtedly very fast, probably the fastest. But, that is the only skill he has shown. His race-craft is pretty much non existent and consists of bully-boy tactics. He needs to learn how to play the long game, just like Lewis. His crash or smash approach lost him a lot of points in 2021, starting with the 18 he could have had at Silverstone by coming second and another 18 at Imola.It will be interesting to see where he goes from here. He's got his WDC*, he could go on to get further (legitimate) ones, or he could perhaps find things hard going if the drivers listed above 'do a Lewis' and decline to dive out of his way.
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