Official 2020 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
He'd never get his helmet through that side gap, surely?
My uninformed guess is that he came out via the "standard top" gap in the halo; the image above suggests that there was a gap between the barrier he could have squeezed through.
Halo, HANS, and a strong survival cell all have played their part - along with some semblance of "luck" (if that is the correct word) in that Grosjean stayed conscious and he had that gap to the barrier to permit his exit.
jingars said:
thegreenhell said:
He'd never get his helmet through that side gap, surely?
My uninformed guess is that he came out via the "standard top" gap in the halo; the image above suggests that there was a gap between the barrier he could have squeezed through.
Halo, HANS, and a strong survival cell all have played their part - along with some semblance of "luck" (if that is the correct word) in that Grosjean stayed conscious and hr had that gap to the barrier to permit his exit.
Edited by chrisga on Monday 30th November 12:52
2020 spec race suits are thicker, heavier and give minimum 20 seconds fire protection. Gloves and previous suits had a safety standard of 10 seconds. A video on C4 F1 lastnight with a timer put RG as in the fire for 28 seconds from going up in flames to getting out.
https://twitter.com/karunchandhok/status/133337760...
https://twitter.com/karunchandhok/status/133337760...
jingars said:
My uninformed guess is that he came out via the "standard top" gap in the halo; the image above suggests that there was a gap between the barrier he could have squeezed through.
Halo, HANS, and a strong survival cell all have played their part - along with some semblance of "luck" (if that is the correct word) in that Grosjean stayed conscious and that had that gap to the barrier to permit his exit.
Ah yes, seems that's the case. Even with all the safety in place there are 999 ways he doesn't survive that, looks like he only just had enough room to squeeze out between the top of the halo and the barrier.Halo, HANS, and a strong survival cell all have played their part - along with some semblance of "luck" (if that is the correct word) in that Grosjean stayed conscious and that had that gap to the barrier to permit his exit.
Jesus, that was emotional.
For me the oh god moment was seeing the rear half intact on the track and knowing the rest of it was on fire.This isnt supposed to happen, you arent supposed to go through the 5mm steel armco at 45 degrees and be on fire.
Anyone who has ever lowered themsleves into a single seater with a Hans and steering wheel knows that undoing your belts and getting out is like old people shagging at the best of times. How far through the armco was he?
No one was holding their hand up (Yes even the armchair F1 engineers here) saying "just wait he will get out by himself without any problem they are designed to do that" when they were getting out of the Mercedes.
To see him emerge from the flames took my breath away.
Yes we had a discussion with my teenagers and had my technical "thats why we do X and Y" debrief of the scientific part and the fire extinguisher procedure.
But I went and had a quiet whiskey on the porch after that.
For me the oh god moment was seeing the rear half intact on the track and knowing the rest of it was on fire.This isnt supposed to happen, you arent supposed to go through the 5mm steel armco at 45 degrees and be on fire.
Anyone who has ever lowered themsleves into a single seater with a Hans and steering wheel knows that undoing your belts and getting out is like old people shagging at the best of times. How far through the armco was he?
No one was holding their hand up (Yes even the armchair F1 engineers here) saying "just wait he will get out by himself without any problem they are designed to do that" when they were getting out of the Mercedes.
To see him emerge from the flames took my breath away.
Yes we had a discussion with my teenagers and had my technical "thats why we do X and Y" debrief of the scientific part and the fire extinguisher procedure.
But I went and had a quiet whiskey on the porch after that.
sisu said:
Yes we had a discussion with my teenagers and had my technical "thats why we do X and Y" debrief of the scientific part and the fire extinguisher procedure.
My 6-year-old asked me approximately 150 questions in the 20 minutes after the event, all whilst I was trying to process it myself. He now has an excellent understanding of NOMEX and fire extinguishers, but did inform me that he 'never wants to be a racing driver'.Those few minutes waiting for news whilst no replays were shown was really, really tough. I can't even begin to imagine how his family, particuarly his 3 boys, felt if they were watching.
jingars said:
thegreenhell said:
He'd never get his helmet through that side gap, surely?
My uninformed guess is that he came out via the "standard top" gap in the halo; the image above suggests that there was a gap between the barrier he could have squeezed through.
Halo, HANS, and a strong survival cell all have played their part - along with some semblance of "luck" (if that is the correct word) in that Grosjean stayed conscious and he had that gap to the barrier to permit his exit.
ajprice said:
2020 spec race suits are thicker, heavier and give minimum 20 seconds fire protection. Gloves and previous suits had a safety standard of 10 seconds. A video on C4 F1 lastnight with a timer put RG as in the fire for 28 seconds from going up in flames to getting out.
https://twitter.com/karunchandhok/status/133337760...
I'm not sure that 20 seconds is correct. I always thought that the new FIA 8856-2018 suits increased the time by 20% (was 10s, now up to 12 seconds). Still a decent benefit though,https://twitter.com/karunchandhok/status/133337760...
https://blog.demon-tweeks.com/motorsport/what-is-t...
Very glad to see that Romain Grosjean got out relatively uninjured. It could have been much worse.
Really goes to show that some of the tracks really could use a bit more thought into accident prevention.
Mick Schumacher must also be a bit concerned as his name seems to be in the frame for one of the Haas seats next year.
Really goes to show that some of the tracks really could use a bit more thought into accident prevention.
Mick Schumacher must also be a bit concerned as his name seems to be in the frame for one of the Haas seats next year.
Zoobeef said:
What was left to the car may have rocked back after he got out given he was removing more than 50% of the weight.
I initially thought the safety cell was lodged in the fence, but perhaps you could move it underneath you, it was basically a bathtub by then and the whole car was only 740kgs including driver before it had everything ripped off.Hereward said:
I watched the highlights last night since I heard there had finally been an interesting race. I noticed the drivers all bent the knee before the start of the race. Is this something they all have to do now do at every race? Presumably it's woe betide any driver who does not want to take part in the virtue signalling?
Which part of "End Racism" do you not agree with?rev-erend said:
Mick Schumacher must also be a bit concerned as his name seems to be in the frame for one of the Haas seats next year.
Not sure what you’re trying to say ? The Haas worked very well in the accident. The tub was intact and Romain walked away from a very very nasty accident.
The cars are all crash tested and have to pass very stringent tests to be able to race. Same for all the teams.
Not sure why you think Schumacher Jr should be concerned about being in a Haas ?
robuk said:
Hereward said:
I watched the highlights last night since I heard there had finally been an interesting race. I noticed the drivers all bent the knee before the start of the race. Is this something they all have to do now do at every race? Presumably it's woe betide any driver who does not want to take part in the virtue signalling?
Which part of "End Racism" do you not agree with?Eric Mc said:
p1stonhead said:
Can anyone recall the last f1 crash where there was even a hint of fire? I can’t personally.
In the last say 2 decades?
The last crash which resulted in a fire during a World Championship Grand Prix was at Imola in 1989 - when Gerhard Berger's Ferrari went into the wall at Tamburello.In the last say 2 decades?
In the 90s there were a few pit lane incidents or post pit stop incidents where fires broke out but these weren't the result of crashes or impacts but more related to refuelling cock ups - or in the case of the Benetton at Hockenheim in 1994 - cheating.
Berger's crash - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hv0zPkvRQM
NoddyonNitrous said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The suddenness of the fire at impact and others saying it couldn't the 100kg of fuel going up just makes me think it's a battery fire.
I don't understand - are you saying that's electricity burning? What are the batteries made of that is so volatile?Mountain biker’s iPhone exploded after he crashed causing severe burns:
https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/mountain-bikers-iphone-...
FourWheelDrift said:
The suddenness of the fire at impact and others saying it couldn't the 100kg of fuel going up just makes me think it's a battery fire.
https://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/te...Possibly the collector.
2.5kg / 3l of fuel under (light) pressure and outside of the main tank
NoddyonNitrous said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The suddenness of the fire at impact and others saying it couldn't the 100kg of fuel going up just makes me think it's a battery fire.
I don't understand - are you saying that's electricity burning? What are the batteries made of that is so volatile?
vaud said:
Eric Mc said:
In the 1970s many cars were fitted with emergency oxygen supplies. I think in the end they were discontinued because they didn't really add an awful lot of safety - and pure oxygen and naked flames are a bad mix, as the crew of Apollo 1 found out in 1967 -.
I can't find anything definitive but some reference here:https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/medical-...
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