Official 2020 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
Murghee said:
After watching the replays of roman getting out i still dont know he managed to do so physically. The g force impact should have knocked him out cold and sitting in a seat with flames all around would have frozen/panicked the life out of me...guess the drivers train themselves mentally to control their fears and surge of adrenaline when they have an accident. Its remarkable.
Fight or flight. It’s extremely powerful. Here’s a Harvard review on it -
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/und...
Sandpit Steve said:
That was a conspiracy rather than a cockup.
The FIA afterwards examined the rig as it was stripped, and it turned out that part of the safety mechanism of the hose/car interface was missing - which, totally co-incidentally, had the effect of allowing a higher fuel flow rate into the car.
Then they checked every fuel rig in the pit lane, and found a few more of them similarly ‘misassembled’.
The tampering was deliberate. The outcome was a cock-up.. Their tampering with the fuel hose was supposed to improve their chances of winning the race and not nearly kill the driver and the mechanics who were standing in close attendance. It could only NOT have been a cock-up if Briatore had INTENDED to set fire to the car. I'm sure even Briatore, who was a somewhat dubious character, wasn't intending to set fire to his team. The FIA afterwards examined the rig as it was stripped, and it turned out that part of the safety mechanism of the hose/car interface was missing - which, totally co-incidentally, had the effect of allowing a higher fuel flow rate into the car.
Then they checked every fuel rig in the pit lane, and found a few more of them similarly ‘misassembled’.
king nutsNot one to watch f1 much but was sad to see this all over media last night.
How on earth Romain had the wherewithal to undo his belts, remove the wheel, then pull himself over the Halo amid a fireball is staggering.
I have been to ATL, and been interviewed there, and they pay a pittance to the people making those tanks literally a bit more than minimum wage, sadly, which when you consider what they do in all sports (and military applications I might add) makes me wince at how profit goes before anything, especially when you compare it to what F1 team guys are paid etc. This is a fiel cell remember. Read the reviews from employees on Indeed if you don't believe me. Having said that surely no tank would survive an impact and a break up like that, I am merely hopeful the tank was not to blame there.
How on earth Romain had the wherewithal to undo his belts, remove the wheel, then pull himself over the Halo amid a fireball is staggering.
I have been to ATL, and been interviewed there, and they pay a pittance to the people making those tanks literally a bit more than minimum wage, sadly, which when you consider what they do in all sports (and military applications I might add) makes me wince at how profit goes before anything, especially when you compare it to what F1 team guys are paid etc. This is a fiel cell remember. Read the reviews from employees on Indeed if you don't believe me. Having said that surely no tank would survive an impact and a break up like that, I am merely hopeful the tank was not to blame there.
kiseca said:
That's a great list, and also, don't forget the self sealing fuel bags - I guess we need to wait and see how much fuel did escape to put judgement on this incident but the fact this is the first car fire since Berger is astonishing - and six point racing harnesses, and drivers legs behind the front axle line, and crash testing (which I think owed something to Max Mosley?)
That's another thing I was thinking after the accident. Haas aren't the best funded team on the grid, and historically there were cars that you'd prefer to be in, and cars you'd prefer not to be in, if you were going to have a shunt. Lotus was the famous one in the '60s, but still for me, I'd expect a Merc to be better put together than a Haas because there's so much more budget behind it. Maybe that's a false impression, but I was even more impressed he got out because it was a Haas than I would have been if it had been a Merc or a Ferrari.
But then that could be a false security. I think there are very few designers who would be willing to sacrifice a gram of performance in favour of safety. In fact the only designer who I've ever heard say he deliberately makes his cars stronger to protect the driver was John Barnard.
Every team has to submit a tub for testing, they also have to provide CAD type details of the tub and how it will react under different loadings. That's another thing I was thinking after the accident. Haas aren't the best funded team on the grid, and historically there were cars that you'd prefer to be in, and cars you'd prefer not to be in, if you were going to have a shunt. Lotus was the famous one in the '60s, but still for me, I'd expect a Merc to be better put together than a Haas because there's so much more budget behind it. Maybe that's a false impression, but I was even more impressed he got out because it was a Haas than I would have been if it had been a Merc or a Ferrari.
But then that could be a false security. I think there are very few designers who would be willing to sacrifice a gram of performance in favour of safety. In fact the only designer who I've ever heard say he deliberately makes his cars stronger to protect the driver was John Barnard.
So you are Roman, you are lying in your hospital bed looking at your charred fingers. You have no doubt seen the footage of the accident and it has dawned on you that you have survived an almost un-surviable accident. You also know that your wife and three kids for a few minutes probably thought you were dead. What do you do next? You know your F1 career is now over, you have submitted your family to the kind of trauma that no one should have to witness. Would you seriously think of getting into a race car again or are these guys made of a stuff us mere mortals just don’t understand? I don’t know.
Personally I love racing, but I don’t think I could that selfish to want to get back into a race car
Personally I love racing, but I don’t think I could that selfish to want to get back into a race car
Streetrod said:
So you are Roman, you are lying in your hospital bed looking at your charred fingers. You have no doubt seen the footage of the accident and it has dawned on you that you have survived an almost un-surviable accident. You also know that your wife and three kids for a few minutes probably thought you were dead. What do you do next? You know your F1 career is now over, you have submitted your family to the kind of trauma that no one should have to witness. Would you seriously think of getting into a race car again or are these guys made of a stuff us mere mortals just don’t understand? I don’t know.
Personally I love racing, but I don’t think I could that selfish to want to get back into a race car
I think if F1 drivers thought it would happen they wouldn’t ever drive. You need to put it out of your mind. Personally I love racing, but I don’t think I could that selfish to want to get back into a race car
The fact he survived something he probably shouldn’t have, probably won’t stop him racing I wouldn’t have thought.
p1stonhead said:
I think if F1 drivers thought it would happen they wouldn’t ever drive. You need to put it out of your mind.
The fact he survived something he probably shouldn’t have, probably won’t stop him racing I wouldn’t have thought.
Just look at the reaction from Max and Lewis in the presser after the race yesterday when a journalist asked if they had considered not racing after the red flag. Both looked completely bemused that someone could even suggest such a thing.The fact he survived something he probably shouldn’t have, probably won’t stop him racing I wouldn’t have thought.
His Mrs might not want him to drive again. Until she's had him moping round the house for a few months. Then she will be begging him to go and race.
jingars said:
kiseca said:
I can't imagine the Indy screen would have been any use in that crash
I think that the Indy/Red Bull aeroscreen is a "ballistic" shield in front of a halo-style structure:
... but I don't think it is in any way less safe in an accident that the halo.
n3il123 said:
Byker28i said:
Halmyre said:
Wasn't it Martin Brundle who ended up upside-down after the first lap of a Grand Prix? The race was stopped, he got out and ran back to the pits hoping to use the spare car for the restart.
Spa - the big crash?
Came to rest upside down, restarted in the spare car and finished the race (albeit 9 laps down) whilst amazingly also setting the fastest lap
LukeBrown66 said:
Not one to watch f1 much but was sad to see this all over media last night.
How on earth Romain had the wherewithal to undo his belts, remove the wheel, then pull himself over the Halo amid a fireball is staggering.
I have been to ATL, and been interviewed there, and they pay a pittance to the people making those tanks literally a bit more than minimum wage, sadly, which when you consider what they do in all sports (and military applications I might add) makes me wince at how profit goes before anything, especially when you compare it to what F1 team guys are paid etc. This is a fiel cell remember. Read the reviews from employees on Indeed if you don't believe me. Having said that surely no tank would survive an impact and a break up like that, I am merely hopeful the tank was not to blame there.
It’s a business and they pay the going rate to get the people they need. That’s how business works. How on earth Romain had the wherewithal to undo his belts, remove the wheel, then pull himself over the Halo amid a fireball is staggering.
I have been to ATL, and been interviewed there, and they pay a pittance to the people making those tanks literally a bit more than minimum wage, sadly, which when you consider what they do in all sports (and military applications I might add) makes me wince at how profit goes before anything, especially when you compare it to what F1 team guys are paid etc. This is a fiel cell remember. Read the reviews from employees on Indeed if you don't believe me. Having said that surely no tank would survive an impact and a break up like that, I am merely hopeful the tank was not to blame there.
Same for the NHS. Have you seen how much nurses get paid ?
I take it you didn’t get the job ?
Streetrod said:
So you are Roman, you are lying in your hospital bed looking at your charred fingers. You have no doubt seen the footage of the accident and it has dawned on you that you have survived an almost un-surviable accident. You also know that your wife and three kids for a few minutes probably thought you were dead. What do you do next? You know your F1 career is now over, you have submitted your family to the kind of trauma that no one should have to witness. Would you seriously think of getting into a race car again or are these guys made of a stuff us mere mortals just don’t understand? I don’t know.
Personally I love racing, but I don’t think I could that selfish to want to get back into a race car
I was thinking about this earlier and one thing that came to mind is that most racers that have survived major accidents like this have no memory of the accident due to being knocked out and the whole trauma of the event .Personally I love racing, but I don’t think I could that selfish to want to get back into a race car
I will admit that having been involved in motorsport since 71 including 36 years as a Marshall and being in the middle of the biggest multiple accident at Silverstone in the 70s that the image of RG emerging through the flames is the most dramatic thing that I have ever seen . Like a blockbuster movie special effects .
jingars said:
kiseca said:
I can't imagine the Indy screen would have been any use in that crash
I think that the Indy/Red Bull aeroscreen is a "ballistic" shield in front of a halo-style structure:... but I don't think it is in any way less safe in an accident that the halo.
kambites said:
jingars said:
kiseca said:
I can't imagine the Indy screen would have been any use in that crash
I think that the Indy/Red Bull aeroscreen is a "ballistic" shield in front of a halo-style structure:... but I don't think it is in any way less safe in an accident that the halo.
If a side-exit is a requirement then yes, the aeroscreen will be an impediment. From my armchair I am of the view that in this regard the two system are the same; I don't think that Grosean exited his Hass via the side hole of his halo as it has too small a gap.
In the 2018 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Nico Hulkenburg was unable to extricate himself from his inverted Renault without assistance from the marshals, despite the incentive of a small fire coming from the rear of the car.
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