Lewis Hamilton to Ferrari
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isaldiri said:
Who ended up being the victim at the end though is the issue for a lot of people I think. It's far from clear that had Verstappen been on the receiving end of Masi's cockup, the most strident on here about the great injustice would not have been quite ok with what happened with them defending what Masi did and saying it was unfortunate but it ended up being the 'right' result in the end instead of nursing a grudge over what happened for years without failing to mention it at every race weekend...
Fair comment, and I do agree...but nobody is ever going to concede that particular point.520TORQUES said:
isaldiri said:
Who ended up being the victim at the end though is the issue for a lot of people I think. It's far from clear that had Verstappen been on the receiving end of Masi's cockup, the most strident on here about the great injustice would not have been quite ok with what happened with them defending what Masi did and saying it was unfortunate but it ended up being the 'right' result in the end instead of nursing a grudge over what happened for years without failing to mention it at every race weekend...
Had that happened to Max, or if it does in the future, I'd be equally disgusted. It's a stain on the sport that will never go away unfortunately. It's extra unfortunate that the cock up took Hamilton's 8th title from him, on the basis that a significant and historically unprecedented event for the sport was taken away. But as said before, it's not particularly relevant who the drivers involved happened to be, it's just a stain on the 'sport'.
honda_exige said:
PlywoodPascal said:
honda_exige said:
Much as you want to convince yourself that it was some grand plan to stop the 8th, it wasn't - Masi f
ked up. It's not any deeper than that - hence Lewis got away with the corner cut at the start - that would've been the perfect time to implement some bias - not waiting for Latifi to randomly drop it.
The Ballestre events of the the late 80s and the clear wild bias against Senna was far far far more premeditated and as a result a far greater scandal.
the stewards doubled down on the fked up. It's not any deeper than that - hence Lewis got away with the corner cut at the start - that would've been the perfect time to implement some bias - not waiting for Latifi to randomly drop it.The Ballestre events of the the late 80s and the clear wild bias against Senna was far far far more premeditated and as a result a far greater scandal.
k up though, and then all of F1 pretended that Verstappen had beaten Hamilton when -until the point the race departed from the rules - he was thoroughly beaten. he was 14 second behind, ffs. he lost. he was the loser. he didn't have what it took to beat Hamilton without the rules being dynamically changed in a way that was impossible for his competitor to predict, to respond to or to accommodate. It's one thing make such a mistake, it's a another to keep going once you realise the mistake.
re the start - it's clear max didn't leave the space required for his competitor, who was substantially alongside him, on the exit of the corner. Hence Hamilton leaving the track, and hence no action taken against LH. there was nothing to get away with - or rather, it was Max who got away with his move where he didn't leave the required room for his competitor.
Edited by PlywoodPascal on Tuesday 5th March 12:44
You can't have it both ways - Masi corrupt enough to prevent Lewis winning at all costs but yet given a golden opportunity to get Max into 1st place forgoes it.
You seem to have forgotten Masi was fully able to implement correctly and vociferously defend the rules a year earlier to the media.
In case you don't remember:
Sandpit Steve said:
Yes it was a mechanical failure that caused that accident, you could see the debris behind the car before it hit the wall.
Oh to be a fly on the wall at the insurance underwriter for sportsmen. Lewis has been seen skydiving recently, and there do seem to be other dangerous activities undertaken by drivers - yet it wasn’t so long ago that Pascal Wherlein missed two or three F1 races following an injury at the Race of Champions
event.
who here remembers Montoya's "tennis" (motocross) injury ?Oh to be a fly on the wall at the insurance underwriter for sportsmen. Lewis has been seen skydiving recently, and there do seem to be other dangerous activities undertaken by drivers - yet it wasn’t so long ago that Pascal Wherlein missed two or three F1 races following an injury at the Race of Champions
event.
520TORQUES said:
isaldiri said:
Who ended up being the victim at the end though is the issue for a lot of people I think. It's far from clear that had Verstappen been on the receiving end of Masi's cockup, the most strident on here about the great injustice would not have been quite ok with what happened with them defending what Masi did and saying it was unfortunate but it ended up being the 'right' result in the end instead of nursing a grudge over what happened for years without failing to mention it at every race weekend...
Had that happened to Max, or if it does in the future, I'd be equally disgusted. It's a stain on the sport that will never go away unfortunately. PhilAsia said:
520TORQUES said:
isaldiri said:
Who ended up being the victim at the end though is the issue for a lot of people I think. It's far from clear that had Verstappen been on the receiving end of Masi's cockup, the most strident on here about the great injustice would not have been quite ok with what happened with them defending what Masi did and saying it was unfortunate but it ended up being the 'right' result in the end instead of nursing a grudge over what happened for years without failing to mention it at every race weekend...
Had that happened to Max, or if it does in the future, I'd be equally disgusted. It's a stain on the sport that will never go away unfortunately. PhilAsia said:
Add to that, Max did nothing wrong...!
Other than overtaking under the safety car.... fully acknowledged by the stewards too and normally an automatic penalty. Another rule ignored, and that was their opportunity to correct the monumental f**kup by masi. They chose to double down.
A stain on the sport that I hope is never repeated, but also never forgotten.
GCH said:
PhilAsia said:
Add to that, Max did nothing wrong...!
Other than overtaking under the safety car.... fully acknowledged by the stewards too and normally an automatic penalty. Another rule ignored, and that was their opportunity to correct the monumental f**kup by masi. They chose to double down.
A stain on the sport that I hope is never repeated, but also never forgotten.
paulguitar said:
honda_exige said:
Meh I'm not fussed tbh. Lewis was a victim somewhat of Masi's incompetence and Max was a victim of Lewis' teammate's incompetence. The better driver over the year won imo so I slept soundly the night of AD21 and every night since. The world has moved on even if you maybe haven't.
I think Verstappen would have been a worthy champion, had he won the title legitimately.I haven't lost any sleep over the debacle, but it surprises me that anyone who cares about sport could be okay with what happened.
GCH said:
PhilAsia said:
Add to that, Max did nothing wrong...!
Other than overtaking under the safety car.... fully acknowledged by the stewards too and normally an automatic penalty. Another rule ignored, and that was their opportunity to correct the monumental f**kup by masi. They chose to double down.
A stain on the sport that I hope is never repeated, but also never forgotten.
GCH said:
PhilAsia said:
Add to that, Max did nothing wrong...!
Other than overtaking under the safety car.... fully acknowledged by the stewards too and normally an automatic penalty. Another rule ignored, and that was their opportunity to correct the monumental f**kup by masi. They chose to double down.
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 5th March 17:24
520TORQUES said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Yes it was a mechanical failure that caused that accident, you could see the debris behind the car before it hit the wall.
Oh to be a fly on the wall at the insurance underwriter for sportsmen. Lewis has been seen skydiving recently, and there do seem to be other dangerous activities undertaken by drivers - yet it wasn’t so long ago that Pascal Wherlein missed two or three F1 races following an injury at the Race of Champions event.
Skydiving is extremely safe, my old man was doing that until his late 70's.Oh to be a fly on the wall at the insurance underwriter for sportsmen. Lewis has been seen skydiving recently, and there do seem to be other dangerous activities undertaken by drivers - yet it wasn’t so long ago that Pascal Wherlein missed two or three F1 races following an injury at the Race of Champions event.
people must do thousands of jumps when they do it as a hobby. To even be allowed to take a camera or gopro with you you have to have done something like 250 jumps.
RB Will said:
This. My wife bought me a tandem jump last year. Was a little nervous going into it but the company has a 100% safety record doing thousands of jumps a year. They explain all the safety features to you as you are getting ready. All the kit, harness, buckles etc is rated for at least about 5 times the load they should ever experience and you have multiples of them in case of failure, you have spare chutes, auto deployment in case the instructor passes out etc.
people must do thousands of jumps when they do it as a hobby. To even be allowed to take a camera or gopro with you you have to have done something like 250 jumps.
My old man holds some world records for formation skydiving. It's a very addictive sport for some. No idea how many jumps he has done, but it's in the thousands.people must do thousands of jumps when they do it as a hobby. To even be allowed to take a camera or gopro with you you have to have done something like 250 jumps.
520TORQUES said:
RB Will said:
This. My wife bought me a tandem jump last year. Was a little nervous going into it but the company has a 100% safety record doing thousands of jumps a year. They explain all the safety features to you as you are getting ready. All the kit, harness, buckles etc is rated for at least about 5 times the load they should ever experience and you have multiples of them in case of failure, you have spare chutes, auto deployment in case the instructor passes out etc.
people must do thousands of jumps when they do it as a hobby. To even be allowed to take a camera or gopro with you you have to have done something like 250 jumps.
My old man holds some world records for formation skydiving. It's a very addictive sport for some. No idea how many jumps he has done, but it's in the thousands.people must do thousands of jumps when they do it as a hobby. To even be allowed to take a camera or gopro with you you have to have done something like 250 jumps.
I looked into a jump over here in Pheeels, but at 40,000php (550 quid) for me and my wife I couldn't justify it.
It is about the same price over here doing a tandem skydive. I preferred the skydive to bungee. Get the flight, fun of jumping/ freefall then get to play about once the chute is out and take in the views.
Bungee was definitely more of an adrenaline rush where you appreciate the speed of a short freefall near the ground. Was just over a bit too quickly and hurt my ankles.
Having a go at wing walking is next on my list
Bungee was definitely more of an adrenaline rush where you appreciate the speed of a short freefall near the ground. Was just over a bit too quickly and hurt my ankles.
Having a go at wing walking is next on my list
Did that in the Eden Valley a few years ago (winch launch from a field, surrounded by hills). The sound of the air rushing over the wings in a banked turn is really unnerving when you're not used to it.
In a useless attempt to keep on topic, I didn't take the opportunity to finish myself whilst up there.
In a useless attempt to keep on topic, I didn't take the opportunity to finish myself whilst up there.
Forester1965 said:
Did that in the Eden Valley a few years ago (winch launch from a field, surrounded by hills). The sound of the air rushing over the wings in a banked turn is really unnerving when you're not used to it.
In a useless attempt to keep on topic, I didn't take the opportunity to finish myself whilst up there.
Wrong thread for that! In a useless attempt to keep on topic, I didn't take the opportunity to finish myself whilst up there.
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