Gasley - What's gone wrong?
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thegreenhell said:
That was Helmut Marko... https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/marko-gasly-red...
I'm pretty certain that Horner reiterated that when interviewed by Sky during the last race weekend. StevieBee said:
If reports are to be believed, they offered him everything he wanted but it was his decision to go to Renault. That may yet be an inspired decision even if current form suggests otherwise.
It's a difficult one. Hamilton made an equally surprising move to Mercedes at the end of 2012 which many at the time said was crazy (even if some now swear blind they didn't say that). For Hamilton it panned out immediately, but for Captain Permasmile it's looking less inspired right now. But even at the time of Hamilton's move, some (myself included) were saying he had obviously written off the 2013 season in anticipation of Merc nailing it for the 2014 regulation changes. The fact that the Merc was unexpectedly competitive in 2013 was a bonus. So perhaps Ricciardo is playing the long game and thinks (hopes) that it will all come good next year.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
thegreenhell said:
That was Helmut Marko... https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/marko-gasly-red...
I'm pretty certain that Horner reiterated that when interviewed by Sky during the last race weekend. Clockwork Cupcake said:
It's a difficult one. Hamilton made an equally surprising move to Mercedes in 2013 which many at the time said was crazy (even if some now swear blind they didn't). For Hamilton it panned out immediately, but for Captain Permasmile it's looking less inspired right now. But even at the time of Hamilton's move, some (myself included) were saying he had obviously written off the 2013 season in anticipation of Merc nailing it for the 2014 regulation changes. The fact that the Merc was unexpectedly competitive in 2013 was a bonus.
So perhaps Ricciardo is playing the long game and thinks (hopes) that it will all come good next year.
Tough to see Renault manage the same as Mercedes. I'm sure DR knows far more than any of us, but personally I struggle to see Cyril running as tight of a ship as Toto, who also had a fairly massive vote of confidence from Lauda when the modern Mercedes team was created.So perhaps Ricciardo is playing the long game and thinks (hopes) that it will all come good next year.
It's a bit of a stretch for me to see Renault challenging for anything more than 4th without some pretty significant changes/progress becoming apparent. One could make an argument they have the worst PU on the grid in terms of performance potential vs reliability.
Nonetheless, DR made the correct decision at the time. Only hindsight could have improved on the logic of why he left. And at worse, he's paid very well for now, and I'm sure he'll end up in a better car soon enough.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I'm confused. Didn't Christian Horner say in interview last race that he was absolutely 100% not considering dropping Gasly? Or am I getting confused with a different driver?
Mind you, we all know Horner is full of s
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Even so, until the decision has been communicated internally to all parties, you are never going to tell any outsiders, especially the press, what's really going on.Mind you, we all know Horner is full of s
t. TheDeuce said:
Nonetheless, DR made the correct decision at the time. Only hindsight could have improved on the logic of why he left. And at worse, he's paid very well for now, and I'm sure he'll end up in a better car soon enough.
Like Alonso's return to McLaren, noone can see the future, but (like Alonso) he sure saw that he'd be minted from the move.ash73 said:
I seem to remember they wouldn't match Max's deal because he was younger and they thought he had more potential; and Danny left because of this.
I thought it was more that he didn't believe he would be offered equal treatment, but I'm not sure where I got that impression from. ash73 said:
StevieBee said:
If reports are to be believed, they offered him everything he wanted but it was his decision to go to Renault. That may yet be an inspired decision even if current form suggests otherwise.
I seem to remember they wouldn't match Max's deal because he was younger and they thought he had more potential; and Danny left because of this.
HustleRussell said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
thegreenhell said:
That was Helmut Marko... https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/marko-gasly-red...
I'm pretty certain that Horner reiterated that when interviewed by Sky during the last race weekend. Gasly's had his chance and maybe needs to re-group but I worry for Albon. He's only 9 races into his F1 career. Even Max had a full year in Toro Rosso before stepping up a third of the way through the following season into the Red Bull team.
It's not something you'd turn down, but it seems like a glory-or-bust situation.
red_slr said:
I bet Daniil Kvyat will be miffed. I suspect its very much a case of you had your chance.
He probably just has to hang on in there, even if Marko isn't his biggest fan. Albon seems great, but if Max can embarrass Gasly it could well be a poisoned chalice and where else would they turn to next? Not Gasly in a hurry I'd imagine.768 said:
red_slr said:
I bet Daniil Kvyat will be miffed. I suspect its very much a case of you had your chance.
He probably just has to hang on in there, even if Marko isn't his biggest fan. Albon seems great, but if Max can embarrass Gasly it could well be a poisoned chalice and where else would they turn to next? Not Gasly in a hurry I'd imagine.This has the dynamic whiff of Johnny Herbert at Benetton - he was very fast but could be 0.25 seconds down on Schumacher in just one corner.
Jos Verstappen was no better.
768 said:
He probably just has to hang on in there, even if Marko isn't his biggest fan. Albon seems great, but if Max can embarrass Gasly it could well be a poisoned chalice and where else would they turn to next? Not Gasly in a hurry I'd imagine.
I think Gasly embarrassed Gasly tbh. Not that he did anything wrong, but it appears he hit the limit of his ability before reaching the limit of a top cars potential.As for where they would look next... If they aim for second in the WCC next year, they can afford to beg/bribe almost any driver on the grid to team RB.
thegreenhell said:
That was Helmut Marko... https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/marko-gasly-red...
Then Alonso will be joining in 2020 
TheDeuce said:
As for where they would look next... If they aim for second in the WCC next year, they can afford to beg/bribe almost any driver on the grid to team RB.
I'm sure they could, but doesn't that either mean Ricciardo or accepting their own driver programme couldn't fill the seat?Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff