Official 2020 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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Petrus1983 said:
I do feel for Albon - personally I don't like him that much, but would never wish how he must be feeling in that motorhome right now on anyone. To have made it to F1 yet fall short, whilst the others you came up to that level are doing well - Lando's loving life, Russell is showing his worth etc - and then you've just binned it on what must be the most important weekends of his career. And at the same time you can't blame RB for saying "we tried".
It's all so different from last year when he stepped into Gaslys seat and was an instant improvement. How many races did Kvyatt get before he was binned? That felt unfortunate at the time too.
glazbagun said:
Petrus1983 said:
I do feel for Albon - personally I don't like him that much, but would never wish how he must be feeling in that motorhome right now on anyone. To have made it to F1 yet fall short, whilst the others you came up to that level are doing well - Lando's loving life, Russell is showing his worth etc - and then you've just binned it on what must be the most important weekends of his career. And at the same time you can't blame RB for saying "we tried".
It's all so different from last year when he stepped into Gaslys seat and was an instant improvement. How many races did Kvyatt get before he was binned? That felt unfortunate at the time too.
k is this kids problem!?"...Hence RB's driver program problem. One in a 1000 talents is a 'Max'. Takes a hell of a lot of shuffling through the rest to find another one! And they want two at the same time!?
Wow Hamilton is not impressed with next years tyres.
Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
SmoothCriminal said:
Wow Hamilton is not impressed with next years tyres.
Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
Lewis seems to not understand that Pirelli are making tyres to an FIA spec specifically designed to hold the cars back in various ways. Essentially to force pit stops and reduce predictability. Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
If Pirelli were asked to make the ultimate F1 tyre no holds barred, I've no doubt we'd see them all finish each GP without pitting once on tyres that could do another two GP's.
They're also not a second slower. Given time to adapt the drivers might find them half a second slower, which would then be compensated for in a single years evolution of the cars. It's a constant battle to hold them back and in that battle, the tyres are major weapon.
SmoothCriminal said:
Wow Hamilton is not impressed with next years tyres.
Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
It's gamesmanship.Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
Why would he want to introduce any variable vs what he has now, and his teams understanding of how to maximise it?
M5-911 said:
TheDeuce said:
Lewis seems to not understand
You lost me there.(obviously I'm aware Lewis of all people understands fully the tyre game and the reasons and no doubt expected a tyre designed to knock them all back a notch).
Before all the pitchforks come out for Hamilton it seems to be the consensus view from any of the drivers asked.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12144430/l...
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12144430/l...
London424 said:
Before all the pitchforks come out for Hamilton it seems to be the consensus view from any of the drivers asked.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12144430/l...
Same for all of them though. They all know the tyres are not designed to help the, but to hinder them.. they all hate that fact.https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12144430/l...
A racing driver in a formula series is the last persons opinion anyone should listen to! Naturally they hate everything that's specified as less than ultimate in terms of performance - which is just about everything.
If they had their way they'd have 2000hp engines, tyres that would outlive their children and sideskirts that moulded at an atomical level to the track.
SmoothCriminal said:
Wow Hamilton is not impressed with next years tyres.
Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
What was funny was the 30-seconds of Lewis desperately not saying what he actually thought about the tyres. Very diplomatic.Nice to see him speak out.
"I am trying my hardest not to say anything," he said. "What I want to say is weekend in, weekend out, we have a team here from Pirelli and I have the utmost respect for the guys who come here and load our tyres up and keep us safe. Unfortunately we have had the same tyre for the last two years.
"At the end of 2019 they brought a new tyres and it was quite a bit worse. So we kept the tyre from last year. So they've had two years to develop a better tyre and they've arrived with a tyre that is three kilos heavier and is a second worse.
"I know that doesn't make much difference to the fans but from a driver's point of view we are working with brands at the forefront of technology and elevating and moving forwards, and if we're going back after two years of development, I don't know what's happened, It doesn't feel good out there.
"It's a worry. If that's the best they can do, which it clearly is, we would be better to stay with this tyre."
I feel certain that he fully understands the design brief, but how the hell can they spend 2-years producing tyres that are 3kg heavier, and a second slower. They are a disgrace. A huge percentage of engineering effort goes into ensuring that they neither overheat before a hot lap, or bringing them up to temperature to achieve a hot lap. If they can hold out for a hot lap then drivers have to potter around at the start of the race to achieve decent mileage.
Their only saving grace is that it’s the same mediocre crap for everyone. The only losers are the fans of hard fought racing in motorsport.
rdjohn said:
What was funny was the 30-seconds of Lewis desperately not saying what he actually thought about the tyres. Very diplomatic.
I feel certain that he fully understands the design brief, but how the hell can they spend 2-years producing tyres that are 3kg heavier, and a second slower. They are a disgrace. A huge percentage of engineering effort goes into ensuring that they neither overheat before a hot lap, or bringing them up to temperature to achieve a hot lap. If they can hold out for a hot lap then drivers have to potter around at the start of the race to achieve decent mileage.
Their only saving grace is that it’s the same mediocre crap for everyone. The only losers are the fans of hard fought racing in motorsport.
At the same time, of course, everyone knew what his thoughts were.I feel certain that he fully understands the design brief, but how the hell can they spend 2-years producing tyres that are 3kg heavier, and a second slower. They are a disgrace. A huge percentage of engineering effort goes into ensuring that they neither overheat before a hot lap, or bringing them up to temperature to achieve a hot lap. If they can hold out for a hot lap then drivers have to potter around at the start of the race to achieve decent mileage.
Their only saving grace is that it’s the same mediocre crap for everyone. The only losers are the fans of hard fought racing in motorsport.
rdjohn said:
What was funny was the 30-seconds of Lewis desperately not saying what he actually thought about the tyres. Very diplomatic.
I feel certain that he fully understands the design brief, but how the hell can they spend 2-years producing tyres that are 3kg heavier, and a second slower. They are a disgrace. A huge percentage of engineering effort goes into ensuring that they neither overheat before a hot lap, or bringing them up to temperature to achieve a hot lap. If they can hold out for a hot lap then drivers have to potter around at the start of the race to achieve decent mileage.
Their only saving grace is that it’s the same mediocre crap for everyone. The only losers are the fans of hard fought racing in motorsport.
Probably because they've been asked to supply tyres that due to the new spec have to be heavier, and due to the desired spec have to hold the cars back a little.I feel certain that he fully understands the design brief, but how the hell can they spend 2-years producing tyres that are 3kg heavier, and a second slower. They are a disgrace. A huge percentage of engineering effort goes into ensuring that they neither overheat before a hot lap, or bringing them up to temperature to achieve a hot lap. If they can hold out for a hot lap then drivers have to potter around at the start of the race to achieve decent mileage.
Their only saving grace is that it’s the same mediocre crap for everyone. The only losers are the fans of hard fought racing in motorsport.
Do you really think if the shackles were removed pirelli couldn't deliver a 'better' F1 tyre!? I'm sure they could, probably within a couple of days - let alone years.
The more the cars evolve to manage the tyres, the more pirelli are required to make ever less suitable tyres. They are tyres designed ground up to make an F1 car struggle and need to pit. As such, pirelli are doing no better or worse job than any other major tyre manufacturer would do. The fact the drivers and fans think they're s
t just means pirelli have done their job as requested.Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 27th November 22:31
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
TheDeuce said:
Lewis seems to not understand
obviously I'm aware Lewis of all people understands .I can't define the word 'obviously' itself any further without using the word 'obvious' - which I suspect wouldn't help anyone for whom it was not already... obvious.
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
TheDeuce said:
Lewis seems to not understand
obviously I'm aware Lewis of all people understands .I can't define the word 'obviously' itself any further without using the word 'obvious' - which I suspect wouldn't help anyone for whom it was not already... obvious.
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
TheDeuce said:
Lewis seems to not understand
obviously I'm aware Lewis of all people understands .I can't define the word 'obviously' itself any further without using the word 'obvious' - which I suspect wouldn't help anyone for whom it was not already... obvious.
Or just give up, get over it - possibly hit pornhub and come back in time for FP3/quali and be interesting.
JPvanRossem said:
TheDeuce said:
Or just give up, get over it - possibly hit pornhub and come back in time for FP3/quali and be interesting.
OK, mate.This is starting to feel like s
t chat when we're about to get to probably a good and interesting day of F1 tomorrow. 
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