Official 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
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paulguitar said:
This should provide the answers you are looking for:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-was-bottas-even...
Not really. They both have issues warming the tyres as that is the nature of the car. That does not explain why Lewis was second and Bottas not third or even fourth..... If both cars were running say 9th and 10th then fair enough as well...... https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-was-bottas-even...
Jasandjules said:
paulguitar said:
This should provide the answers you are looking for:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-was-bottas-even...
Not really. They both have issues warming the tyres as that is the nature of the car. That does not explain why Lewis was second and Bottas not third or even fourth..... If both cars were running say 9th and 10th then fair enough as well...... https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-was-bottas-even...
Jasandjules said:
paulguitar said:
This should provide the answers you are looking for:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-was-bottas-even...
Not really. They both have issues warming the tyres as that is the nature of the car. That does not explain why Lewis was second and Bottas not third or even fourth..... If both cars were running say 9th and 10th then fair enough as well...... https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-was-bottas-even...
And in general, Lewis is clearly stronger in the wet and even he was only just able to switch the tyres on. Bottas, no chance.
Same reason bottas was uncharacteristically slow in quali - simply couldn't get the tyres switched on in time to put in a quick lap. Lewis could, but only just.
DanielSan said:
He reacts to one incident mostly under the influence of adrenalin and in the belief at the time someone has taken him out of the race and for that he's entitled? Nonsense.
There's no one on here who hasn't lost their s
t in the heat of the moment for a lot less than that.
He had ample opportunity to climb down and show some contrition on the day but he was still trying to justify his actions in the media pen as the sun was going down. It was clear from his choice of words that he knew he was at least partially to blame too. Even his apology days later was weak. Not his finest hour. There's no one on here who hasn't lost their s
t in the heat of the moment for a lot less than that. Looks like one of his esports style 'dive bombs' - this one on max (he overtook bottas the lap before) https://youtu.be/BND1SnJmFUM?t=467
Jasandjules said:
Not really. They both have issues warming the tyres as that is the nature of the car. That does not explain why Lewis was second and Bottas not third or even fourth..... If both cars were running say 9th and 10th then fair enough as well......
Lewis was second because even though he was 80s behind Verstappen, the restart rules gave him a free lap (removing 75 seconds from gap to Verstappen).He then restarted immediately behind 8th, Perez and Raikonnen lost it and he simply overtook the remaining 4 drivers using DRS.
talksthetorque said:
I think one of the main differences in the levels of excitement we are seeing of the races at the moment is the way the coverage is directed, and the level of interest in the non- leading cars.
If this race was 20 years ago we would have spent half the race watching Max's masterclass, but since the dominance of Merc, and possibly Seb and Michael before, the content providers have realised that at any one point there are up to 19 battles going on at any one time. so maybe better to concentrate on the other stuffif first and second are drifting apart.
As it was, we saw Max for about 5 laps tops.
I think if it had been Lewis, we would have seen maybe 10, but still far less than previously.
Who else remembers falling asleep watching Schuey going round on his own.
Very true.If this race was 20 years ago we would have spent half the race watching Max's masterclass, but since the dominance of Merc, and possibly Seb and Michael before, the content providers have realised that at any one point there are up to 19 battles going on at any one time. so maybe better to concentrate on the other stuffif first and second are drifting apart.
As it was, we saw Max for about 5 laps tops.
I think if it had been Lewis, we would have seen maybe 10, but still far less than previously.
Who else remembers falling asleep watching Schuey going round on his own.
In days gone by TV coverage was pretty poor. This was partly down to the TV producers not being terribly interested in showing anything other than who was leading - especially if the driver was from the host country - or driving a Ferrari in Italy. There were also technical limitations in that there was often only a handful of cameras at the circuit. At one stage the Italian GP was covered by what looked like just four cameras.
The one exception was always Monaco - who took their TV coverage really seriously. They were using TV helicopters in the early 1960s.
Matters have improved immeasurably now.
Leithen said:
Drivers are dull these days.
Ah Piquet and Salazar including a shocking attempt at a kick 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFky8hpVolg
I found some others with video...
Schumacher and Coultard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXUtwSIzmM
I did find this proper punch up - Chico Serra and Raul Boesel fight - 1982 Canadian Grand Prix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4681a9DVI&t=...
These days, what Rosberg throwing a hat at Hamilton?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEbhO7qZyK8&t=...
A few shoves from Verstappen on Ocon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJ_mF074rs
paulguitar said:
aston80 said:
He then restarted immediately behind 8th, Perez and Raikonnen lost it and he simply overtook the remaining 4 drivers using DRS.
And some extremely good judgment in tricky conditions.Track was slippy for everyone ?
It must have been just Lucky Lewis lucking in to second place. Again !!
It’s just not fair is it ?
Great drive by Max in tricky conditions.
Byker28i said:
Leithen said:
Drivers are dull these days.
Ah Piquet and Salazar including a shocking attempt at a kick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFky8hpVolg
I found some others with video...
Schumacher and Coultard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXUtwSIzmM
I did find this proper punch up - Chico Serra and Raul Boesel fight - 1982 Canadian Grand Prix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4681a9DVI&t=...
These days, what Rosberg throwing a hat at Hamilton?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEbhO7qZyK8&t=...
A few shoves from Verstappen on Ocon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvJ_mF074rs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
aston80 said:
Jasandjules said:
Not really. They both have issues warming the tyres as that is the nature of the car. That does not explain why Lewis was second and Bottas not third or even fourth..... If both cars were running say 9th and 10th then fair enough as well......
Lewis was second because even though he was 80s behind Verstappen, the restart rules gave him a free lap (removing 75 seconds from gap to Verstappen).He then restarted immediately behind 8th, Perez and Raikonnen lost it and he simply overtook the remaining 4 drivers using DRS.
The time he regained by being allowed to unlap himself has nothing to do with the post that you quoted.
Adrian W said:
People seem to be forgetting Bottas gave GR the finger first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
No George crashed into Bottas first and then went to have a go at him before Bottas reacted with the finger I think we'd all have done the same if not worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
Wills2 said:
Adrian W said:
People seem to be forgetting Bottas gave GR the finger first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
No George crashed into Bottas first and then went to have a go at him before Bottas reacted with the finger I think we'd all have done the same if not worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
kiseca said:
The question was why was Bottas so far off Lewis's pace all weekend. If it was cold tyres why weren't both drivers running at the same pace. Lewis was about to lap Bottas (just in front of Russell) when he went off. He was miles ahead - literally. In fact as you point out, he was so far ahead that even after losing 80 seconds or whatever he only dropped to 9th (still ahead of Bottas).
The time he regained by being allowed to unlap himself has nothing to do with the post that you quoted.
I suspect if you analysed the lap data and car positions you'd find that because of Bottas's poor qualifying and mid-field position he found himself stuck in traffic.The time he regained by being allowed to unlap himself has nothing to do with the post that you quoted.
Everyone seems to accept that the Mercedes has a very narrow window in which the tyres operate and is very fast. Out of this window, as Hamilton showed in the initial laps, it is a bit of a dog. This will have made overtaking difficult for Bottas. Hamilton however, effectively had free air and was able eventually to get the car into the operating window and start to reel Verstappen in. Bottas never got the tyres to work.
His lap times and the lap times of those around him vs Hamilton would probably shed light on this.
kambites said:
Wills2 said:
Adrian W said:
People seem to be forgetting Bottas gave GR the finger first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
No George crashed into Bottas first and then went to have a go at him before Bottas reacted with the finger I think we'd all have done the same if not worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM-Zmh8HG_g
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