Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
Discussion
520TORQUES said:
Muzzer79 said:
What is your suggested better idea?
Race against the men and prove yourself as worthy of a paid drive. If you can do that you will be minted.It's like standing in the 6 yard box in football and waiting for the ball to come to you so you can score - it can happen, but you're not boosting your chances of success.
Getting women into F1 requires investing in build up play in midfield so that goals can be scored further down the line.
Is the F1 Academy best use of resources in 'build up play'? That's debatable. But some people seem to think that if the series doesn't produce a female F1 driver soon then it's failed. That's not the case.
flatlandsman said:
You do get the feeling though that like a lot of these appointments,t he social media following and potential marketing benefits are the prime reason for this.
You also have to remember Jamie is "supposed" to be a Williams rep.
The problem is, most people don't understand what the roles these drivers have actually are, people see the term 'development driver' and think they are drivers that help to develop the F1 cars rather than being young drivers in a programme ran by F1 teams designed to develop them as drivers.You also have to remember Jamie is "supposed" to be a Williams rep.
[i]"As part of the Williams Racing Driver Academy, the team will be supporting Lia’s learning and development to maximise her potential throughout the F1 Academy season.
She will work closely with the team at Grove to hone her skills, with access to the full spectrum of Academy support."[/i]
And to brutally honest, none of the drivers are remotely deserving of F1 team support, if it wasn't mandated F1 teams wouldn't care about bottom of the standings F4 drivers.
Edited by Peacockantony on Wednesday 15th November 17:15
Muzzer79 said:
What is your suggested better idea?
The business model in every other racing series, drivers and teams pay for themselves. Instead of wasting vast amounts of money propping up useless drivers because it suits the present day political ideology.If F1 wants to spunk away tens of millions on it, fair enough. Doesn't mean it is a good idea though. Just like the ridiculous spectacle coming up in a few days...
Muzzer79 said:
But that doesn't solve the problem?
It's like standing in the 6 yard box in football and waiting for the ball to come to you so you can score - it can happen, but you're not boosting your chances of success.
Getting women into F1 requires investing in build up play in midfield so that goals can be scored further down the line.
Is the F1 Academy best use of resources in 'build up play'? That's debatable. But some people seem to think that if the series doesn't produce a female F1 driver soon then it's failed. That's not the case.
What problem? That drivers that don't possess the talent to do well at F4 level don't progress higher up the ladder? That isn't a problem. That is the reality of motorsport. You stump up the cash and do well, or you go home!It's like standing in the 6 yard box in football and waiting for the ball to come to you so you can score - it can happen, but you're not boosting your chances of success.
Getting women into F1 requires investing in build up play in midfield so that goals can be scored further down the line.
Is the F1 Academy best use of resources in 'build up play'? That's debatable. But some people seem to think that if the series doesn't produce a female F1 driver soon then it's failed. That's not the case.
I will stick to my opinion that any female driver that ever reaches F1 will have done so by driving in real series, beating real competition and therefore receiving the funding because they are actually capable. Any driver that has driven in W Series, F1 Academy or any other similar series will never make it to F1, their presence there is proof they are lacking as drivers.
You are inventing a problem that doesn't exist to justify a fix based on a problem that doesn't exist. A supposed lack of opportunities is cited as a problem and used to justify creating the series to give opportunities to drivers, but when it is pointed out that the drivers have had plenty of opportunities already, the goalposts are shifted to justify the existence by claiming it will supposedly inspire new generations of drivers to come about. As if it is a proven phenomenon rather than wishful thinking.
520TORQUES said:
Race against the men and prove yourself as worthy of a paid drive. If you can do that you will be minted.
What an absolutely ludicrous idea, female racing is all about Social Media, posting about how fast you are and looking good in the team overalls for your Instagram posts.Nobody cares about boring old results and talent, it is better to exist in the fantasy world of social media instead where you can pretend to be the fastest racer in the world.
Remember, it is better to frolic in the surf of emotions than the arid dessert of logic.
Then the F1 teams can sign a female driver as a development driver to appear all inclusive and relevant, take a few model shots in the overalls and then never even let them near the simulator, let alone sit in a car.
520TORQUES said:
Muzzer79 said:
But that doesn't solve the problem?
What problem?F1 and motorsport in general is doing just fine without more women drivers.
trackdemon said:
This. Why do people keep referencing fixing a problem? What problem? Why is it a problem that more women either (a) aren't interested in motorsport (b) aren't good enough to reach the higher echelons. It's no more a problem than not enough lads called Brian making it. Everyone has the same opportunity, if you're good enough and can acquire the necessary backing you have a shot - no matter which chromosome you have. Woke nonsense.
Exactly, how many young lads with talent are not making it because they don't come from a rich family and cannot get sponsorship as easily as these ladies can?Nobody seems to give a crap about that.
"mwah, mwah Sophia Floresh can't get a drive in F1 despite coming 23rd in the 2023 Formula 3 championship. Look how pretty she looks in her Instagram photos, it's just not fair."
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 15th November 19:25
520TORQUES said:
Muzzer79 said:
But that doesn't solve the problem?
What problem?F1 and motorsport in general is doing just fine without more women drivers.
“Where’s the problem in having a tiny minority of women CEOs?
Business in general is doing just fine without more women. They have the same opportunities as men, they just need to be as good”
I’m just as adamant as anyone that it needs to be a meritocracy but I don’t understand the anger in trying to attract more women to the sport.
It just smacks of insecurity.
Muzzer79 said:
Imagine if the leaders of big business said
“Where’s the problem in having a tiny minority of women CEOs?
Business in general is doing just fine without more women. They have the same opportunities as men, they just need to be as good”
I’m just as adamant as anyone that it needs to be a meritocracy but I don’t understand the anger in trying to attract more women to the sport.
It just smacks of insecurity.
What anger?“Where’s the problem in having a tiny minority of women CEOs?
Business in general is doing just fine without more women. They have the same opportunities as men, they just need to be as good”
I’m just as adamant as anyone that it needs to be a meritocracy but I don’t understand the anger in trying to attract more women to the sport.
It just smacks of insecurity.
Women CEO's lose their job if they can't perform and have to be equally capable to get the job in the first place.
There is no parallel market created for women to win within. They had to work their way up the chain alongside their male colleagues.
We have even had 3 female Prime ministers, 2 completely useless, but that shows there is no glass ceiling in the same way there was in previous times.
Muzzer79 said:
I’m just as adamant as anyone that it needs to be a meritocracy but I don’t understand the anger in trying to attract more women to the sport.
It just smacks of insecurity.
I think you're inventing things in your own head there fella. I don't see (or feel) any anger. I do think positive discrimination is the wrong way to go, but it affects me not a jot. What would folks be insecure about? It just smacks of insecurity.
So Jamie is driving a Mustang at the next Goodwood meeting. Hopefully for her its a good one and not one just to make up the numbers. Historics is a good path for her to go. Maybe drive a few old F1 cars, sports prototypes etc. The historic scene is a 12 month diary all over the world and probably as a driver quite lucrative if you are good.
Tazar said:
So Jamie is driving a Mustang at the next Goodwood meeting. Hopefully for her its a good one and not one just to make up the numbers. Historics is a good path for her to go. Maybe drive a few old F1 cars, sports prototypes etc. The historic scene is a 12 month diary all over the world and probably as a driver quite lucrative if you are good.
She’s also signed up for another season of Indy NXT with Andretti Global, so it sounds like she’ll be having a busy year. A lot of rookies in that series this season as well, including another young American lady Lindsay Brewer. I think Jamie probably ends up in LM prototypes next year, unless she can get herself a full-time Indycar drive.
Sandpit Steve said:
She’s also signed up for another season of Indy NXT with Andretti Global, so it sounds like she’ll be having a busy year. A lot of rookies in that series this season as well, including another young American lady Lindsay Brewer.
I think Jamie probably ends up in LM prototypes next year, unless she can get herself a full-time Indycar drive.
That said, with her teammates finishing 7th, 4th and 2nd last year she needs to be looking at podiums really this year to get near that Indy drive, especially with how well some of their drivers have been doing. McElrea went to LMP2 while waiting for a shot at Indy and he was Rookie of the Year and then 2nd in NXT. I think Jamie probably ends up in LM prototypes next year, unless she can get herself a full-time Indycar drive.
With a potential F1 entry and some some additional drives on the line, now or never comes to mind.
Tend to agree and think its been said before, she's not gunning for F1 anymore and will likely end up somewhere that consistency might give you more of an edge.
RB Will said:
Sandpit Steve said:
A lot of rookies in that series this season as well, including another young American lady Lindsay Brewer.
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I very much doubt she will be a threat on track.
Sandpit Steve said:
RB Will said:
Sandpit Steve said:
A lot of rookies in that series this season as well, including another young American lady Lindsay Brewer.
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I very much doubt she will be a threat on track.
I'm a bit 20th century about these things, but I believe a big following on social media is important currency these days.
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