****Japanese GP 2014****
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grandprix.com said:
Charlie Whiting's investigation into the circumstances of Sunday's crash is now set to be handed down, and Italy's Autosprint claims video footage and team telemetry will show that Bianchi did not significantly slow despite yellow flags.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns29138.htmlImpasse said:
grandprix.com said:
Charlie Whiting's investigation into the circumstances of Sunday's crash is now set to be handed down, and Italy's Autosprint claims video footage and team telemetry will show that Bianchi did not significantly slow despite yellow flags.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns29138.htmlDoogz - flag rules are simple and understood by the drivers, it shows them when they are allowed to race and where they have to slow down. The marshals were very efficient with the flags as signals to give the drivers the best possible chance to race, changing from double waved yellows to green as soon as the tractor was the other side of the post - absolutely the correct procedure as far as I know.
PhillipM said:
No, because they were after the accident, anyone crashing after the green flag was going to have an accident in a completely different place.
Do Not Feed the Trolls! :-)Amazing how many people here don't know how motorsports flagging works- isn't this Pistonheads, not f*cking Mumsnet?
FIA breaks silence on Bianchi accident – Considering new ways to slow cars in crash zones
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/fia-breaks-s...
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/fia-breaks-s...
This may sound harsh, but judging by some of the comments on the Bianchi incident half the folk commenting would not pass an ARRDS or ACU Race licence course.
Sutil spins off, the sector he is in is sent yellow, at the exact marshall post are waved yellows, the post before that stationary yellows and the post AFTER the incident is Green, so a green flag is shown
It doesnt matter if the incident is 1ooft or 1ft away from the adjoining sector, if the sector is clear the green flags will be waved.
Looking at the onboard telemetry FIA feed shown a few pages back it showed Bianchi was doing approx 217kmh when the telemetry showed him going off. Im not saying he didnt slow but imho he certainly didnt slow enough.
Sutil spins off, the sector he is in is sent yellow, at the exact marshall post are waved yellows, the post before that stationary yellows and the post AFTER the incident is Green, so a green flag is shown
It doesnt matter if the incident is 1ooft or 1ft away from the adjoining sector, if the sector is clear the green flags will be waved.
Looking at the onboard telemetry FIA feed shown a few pages back it showed Bianchi was doing approx 217kmh when the telemetry showed him going off. Im not saying he didnt slow but imho he certainly didnt slow enough.
Am I missing something here? I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but shirley, it doesn't matter what flags were being waved Bianchi was driving too fast for the conditions hence him leaving the circuit.
Second, possibly stupid question.....if the DRS rear wing can be remotely controlled by the stewards why can't an imposed speed restrictor be built into the cars electronics, much like the one the drivers switch on when they enter the pit lane, that can slow the whole pack down at the flick of a switch by the race director?
Second, possibly stupid question.....if the DRS rear wing can be remotely controlled by the stewards why can't an imposed speed restrictor be built into the cars electronics, much like the one the drivers switch on when they enter the pit lane, that can slow the whole pack down at the flick of a switch by the race director?
RichardM5 said:
It's inevitable that they will introduced some sort of enforced speed limit after that accident. It's just a question of exactly how they do it.
I still find this odd and a little concerning, because they need a bit of speed to get the downforce to get the wets/intermediate tyres to grip. So if they slow down for safety, they might start falling off the road. Not to mention cold brakes....Am I missing something?
Jasandjules said:
I still find this odd and a little concerning, because they need a bit of speed to get the downforce to get the wets/intermediate tyres to grip. So if they slow down for safety, they might start falling off the road. Not to mention cold brakes....
Am I missing something?
Slowing down behind a safety car doesn't cause mayhem neither does slowing down for the pitlane, why would slowing down without a safety car lead to cars falling off the road?Am I missing something?
RYH64E said:
Slowing down behind a safety car doesn't cause mayhem neither does slowing down for the pitlane, why would slowing down without a safety car lead to cars falling off the road?
Exactly. The limit could only apply to part of the track, the part with waved yellows, so the cooling down effect would be less than running behind the safety car.There may well be a speed range at which it would be unsafe to corner, faster and the aero gives you more grip, but there will always be a slower speed at which it is safe to corner. It's part of the brief, and possibly the limit applied in each specific case, that the speed limit is safe.
Agent Orange said:
FIA breaks silence on Bianchi accident – Considering new ways to slow cars in crash zones
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/fia-breaks-s...
Opportunity for the smart ones to try to finesse, and some will fall foul.http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/fia-breaks-s...
Claudia Skies said:
Sounds like a load of twaddle to me.
None of this would be necessary if they had waved some flags and deployed the safety car BEFORE sending a massive tractor out into the danger area.
The problem here is the presence of the tractor, not the F1 cars or their drivers.
Except for the 100's of other times where a tractor has recovered a car in that place in that track in the rain and various other tracks all over the world. It's a freak accident nothing more nothing less. None of this would be necessary if they had waved some flags and deployed the safety car BEFORE sending a massive tractor out into the danger area.
The problem here is the presence of the tractor, not the F1 cars or their drivers.
In the same way if Senna's helmet had take a knock just an inch to the left or right instead of where it did he'd still be here today.
doogz said:
Gaz. said:
Nope, the flag refers to the section of track after the marshal post, and that section was green hence the flag. According to the FIA telemetry a lot of drivers did not lift and some went faster than the previous green flag lap. Had Sutil not crashed, Bianci would have had an enormous crash into the barrier or worse, the gap in the barriers into the refuge between Dunlop & 130R as his trajectory was quite strange in relation to the barriers.
So, you're approaching the bend, you see yellow flags, then green flags, then a tractor. And the green flags don't apply until you've passed the scene?Really?
FFS it's like the aeroplane on a conveyor again...
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