RE: No predictability in 2014 F1
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RobGT81 said:
Ed Straker said:
I think you miss his point.
It's the turbo-charging and KERS that have other suppliers interested. It has some resonance to current R&D.
Next year's F1 and R&D don't mix. The turbos they are using are very basic, compounding like that has been done for years on heavy duty stuff, No variable geometry or fancy air recovery plus the engines are frozen until 2020. WEC is much more appealing as the engine regs are open to whatever you want to run. It's the turbo-charging and KERS that have other suppliers interested. It has some resonance to current R&D.
DanielSan said:
k-ink said:
I gave up on F1 two years ago. Not bothered with a single race in all that time. I was skipping through the channels the other day and just saw a few seconds at the beginning. I didn't even consider watching it and kept flicking channels. Lets hope things are VERY different for 2014.
That was unforunate for you, you missed one of the best seasons in the history of the sport last year. k-ink said:
DanielSan said:
k-ink said:
I gave up on F1 two years ago. Not bothered with a single race in all that time. I was skipping through the channels the other day and just saw a few seconds at the beginning. I didn't even consider watching it and kept flicking channels. Lets hope things are VERY different for 2014.
That was unforunate for you, you missed one of the best seasons in the history of the sport last year. DanielSan said:
That was unforunate for you, you missed one of the best seasons in the history of the sport last year.
That's a pretty bold statement. I'd say the best years of F1 are long over. Too much aero/technology these days rather than comparable cars with mechanical grip that could run within a few inches of each other and not lunch their tyres.
Gold! If I had a sig, I'd have this in it! RobGT81 said:
Next year's F1 and R&D don't mix. The turbos they are using are very basic, compounding like that has been done for years on heavy duty stuff, No variable geometry or fancy air recovery plus the engines are frozen until 2020. WEC is much more appealing as the engine regs are open to whatever you want to run.
But they DO have more resonance that a 2.4, normally aspirated litre V8. WEC is a class dominated by manufacturers anyway. It's just cheaper than F1. I would love to see some sort of opening up of the Engine regulations (Minimum 6 cylinders, no larger than 2.4 litres, normally aspirated, mandatory stock fuel pump and have at it) but then you run into the danger of one particular engine being better or more powerful or more fuel efficient and you end up with that engine dominating. People used to say the Mercedes 2.4 V8 was the most powerful and Renault the least. No one says that anymore.Another very good blog from Darren Heath
http://www.darrenheath.com/season/2013/abu-dhabi-2...
http://www.darrenheath.com/season/2013/abu-dhabi-2...
Darren Heath said:
The ‘E’ word will govern all. Engines, power, fuel, cooling, weight, tyres, aero; all will be affected by a team and driver’s ability to maximise what’s possible within the parameters laid down for the road ahead.
Sure, it’s likely we’ll see mid-eighties F1-like flames licking rear bodywork and plumes of white smoke billowing from a car or three over the first few races, but reports of team and driver order-shuffling are – I fear for all of you bored by Red Bull’s brilliance – nothing more than hopes and dreams.
With both 2013 titles in the bag before Abu Dhabi, Austin and Sao Paolo, work at Milton Keynes has been ramping up to ensure a year of RB10 domination.
Red Bull’s significant gains in straightline-speed aero and rear-tyre-wear management – both important to 2014 success – have been evident recently; add to that Renault’s class-leading fuel efficiency, Adrian Newey’s brilliance, Sebastian Vettel’s application and talent, and you may want to tone down those hopes of change.
Let’s hope not!
Sure, it’s likely we’ll see mid-eighties F1-like flames licking rear bodywork and plumes of white smoke billowing from a car or three over the first few races, but reports of team and driver order-shuffling are – I fear for all of you bored by Red Bull’s brilliance – nothing more than hopes and dreams.
With both 2013 titles in the bag before Abu Dhabi, Austin and Sao Paolo, work at Milton Keynes has been ramping up to ensure a year of RB10 domination.
Red Bull’s significant gains in straightline-speed aero and rear-tyre-wear management – both important to 2014 success – have been evident recently; add to that Renault’s class-leading fuel efficiency, Adrian Newey’s brilliance, Sebastian Vettel’s application and talent, and you may want to tone down those hopes of change.
Let’s hope not!
dukebox9reg said:
Don't you love it when people comment and haven't got a clue what they are on about. You just looking for some attention?
Iv'e given up watching this season and I'm a big fanny. Looking forward to next seasons TURBO cars.
It's an open forum ya dick. I think you're the one looking for attention from me by trying to act like a smart arse because you read an article and googled a few things. Well done.Iv'e given up watching this season and I'm a big fanny. Looking forward to next seasons TURBO cars.
It'll be interesting to see the difference next season.
CraigyMc said:
k-ink said:
DanielSan said:
k-ink said:
I gave up on F1 two years ago. Not bothered with a single race in all that time. I was skipping through the channels the other day and just saw a few seconds at the beginning. I didn't even consider watching it and kept flicking channels. Lets hope things are VERY different for 2014.
That was unforunate for you, you missed one of the best seasons in the history of the sport last year. surpryze said:
dukebox9reg said:
Don't you love it when people comment and haven't got a clue what they are on about. You just looking for some attention?
Iv'e given up watching this season and I'm a big fanny. Looking forward to next seasons TURBO cars.
It's an open forum ya dick. I think you're the one looking for attention from me by trying to act like a smart arse because you read an article and googled a few things. Well done.Iv'e given up watching this season and I'm a big fanny. Looking forward to next seasons TURBO cars.
It'll be interesting to see the difference next season.
Marussia obviously have sod all money in F1 terms, but they have good people: it's Manor Motorsport under a Russian brand. They are proper engineers without the budget or scale to compete at the front. They use the same facilities as McLaren (simulator, CFD and wind tunnel).
With Jules Bianchi driving for them and Mercedes engines next year, they may actually start off fairly well (before being rapidly outdeveloped by everyone except Caterham, as usual).
With Jules Bianchi driving for them and Mercedes engines next year, they may actually start off fairly well (before being rapidly outdeveloped by everyone except Caterham, as usual).
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