NetFlix Drive to Survive season 2 (2019)
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A few comments on what I've watched so far.
Very different language and tone used with Gasly versus Maximus V, it didn't show the team in a great light. Might just have been clever editing to emphasize a point.
This prog is not just aimed knowlegeable F1 fans, it gives a better insight for casual watchers and show some of the more human or inhumane
side of the circus that is F1.
It confirms my general view that on the whole F1 races while technically interesting is boring to watch.
This prog broadens out to all teams unlike the very watcheable forerunner in the 90s "the team"? that just had McLaren as its subject. That was a great series.
Very different language and tone used with Gasly versus Maximus V, it didn't show the team in a great light. Might just have been clever editing to emphasize a point.
This prog is not just aimed knowlegeable F1 fans, it gives a better insight for casual watchers and show some of the more human or inhumane
side of the circus that is F1.It confirms my general view that on the whole F1 races while technically interesting is boring to watch.
This prog broadens out to all teams unlike the very watcheable forerunner in the 90s "the team"? that just had McLaren as its subject. That was a great series.
R8Steve said:
patmahe said:
Claire Williams - I like the woman, but when she was being told parts weren't ready etc... she had a concerned look on her face but wasn't exactly screaming and shouting (maybe she did behind closed doors), but there are times when you need to bang a table and say what the f
k guys, we need this done and done now, whatever it takes and it must be done a long time before testing. I mean a team principal bringing parts to testing just looks a bit unprofessional to be honest, although Paddy really seems to have dropped the ball, but was there any oversight. Sorry to say it but I feel a bit like she's in over her head.
I really struggled watching the Williams episode to be honest. Claire comes across as if she knows she’s out of her depth and that everyone else knows it as well so she comes across a bit awkward and weak as a manager. Unless of course we are missing a lot of behind the scenes meetings but she certainly came across as being pretty lax given the severity of not getting the car ready on time. k guys, we need this done and done now, whatever it takes and it must be done a long time before testing. I mean a team principal bringing parts to testing just looks a bit unprofessional to be honest, although Paddy really seems to have dropped the ball, but was there any oversight. Sorry to say it but I feel a bit like she's in over her head.Paddy came across like he didn’t even want to be there from the beginning and again seemed a bit blasé over the full situation.
I don't particularly like or respect her but Paddy Lowe has left her hung out to dry. It was his job to deliver a competitive car and deliver it on time.
Wingo said:
Very different language and tone used with Gasly versus Maximus V, it didn't show the team in a great light. Might just have been clever editing to emphasize a point.
On that point, the different language and tone at Red Bull, IMO, was also evident with Vettel vs Webber, and then Verstappen vs Ricciardo - particularly the difference compared to when Ricciardo was doing well against Vettel.They always seem to have a very clear difference in attitude, and a focus, on the driver who looks quickest.
ChocolateFrog said:
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Albon's mum jailed for fraud back in 2012, never knew that. Wonder how much of it paid for his career.
You can be sure that without this money he wouldn't be where he is today. Unfortunately this sport is full of rich guys and raw talent alone isn't enough to get you to F1. She most likely done what she did to support her son. Albon's mum jailed for fraud back in 2012, never knew that. Wonder how much of it paid for his career.
I cant hold anything against Alex, I think he is a very talented driver, very down to earth and not interested in all the media distractions. He just wants to race and I wish him all the best,
monza2019 said:
You can be sure that without this money he wouldn't be where he is today. Unfortunately this sport is full of rich guys and raw talent alone isn't enough to get you to F1. She most likely done what she did to support her son.
I cant hold anything against Alex, I think he is a very talented driver, very down to earth and not interested in all the media distractions. He just wants to race and I wish him all the best,
I don't think he's the same level of 'rich' as some of the other drivers coming through. Did you see his house (yes it's London but it wasn't anything extravagant)? I cant hold anything against Alex, I think he is a very talented driver, very down to earth and not interested in all the media distractions. He just wants to race and I wish him all the best,
It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
North West Tom said:
I don't think he's the same level of 'rich' as some of the other drivers coming through. Did you see his house (yes it's London but it wasn't anything extravagant)?
It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
He also mentioned that the house is rented so potentially they’re not actually ‘rich’ at all. It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
Sammo123 said:
North West Tom said:
I don't think he's the same level of 'rich' as some of the other drivers coming through. Did you see his house (yes it's London but it wasn't anything extravagant)?
It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
He also mentioned that the house is rented so potentially they’re not actually ‘rich’ at all. It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
Sammo123 said:
North West Tom said:
I don't think he's the same level of 'rich' as some of the other drivers coming through. Did you see his house (yes it's London but it wasn't anything extravagant)?
It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
He also mentioned that the house is rented so potentially they’re not actually ‘rich’ at all. It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
glazbagun said:
Sammo123 said:
North West Tom said:
I don't think he's the same level of 'rich' as some of the other drivers coming through. Did you see his house (yes it's London but it wasn't anything extravagant)?
It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
He also mentioned that the house is rented so potentially they’re not actually ‘rich’ at all. It also seemed like he had to go and find his own sponsors to fund him hence why he chose to represent Thailand.
Yes looked like he went to Monaco on the red bull promotion. To be honest life is short, he had a chance to live the dream, crack on I say!
The more I watch of CH the more I find him a detriment to red bull, a nasty sniping piece of st. DR had to move, he was never going to take one for the team as most drivers won’t, so he has tried something else. Again careers are short, you can’t sit there as the boss openly backs someone else and not you. CH just seems to come across as a very smarmy guy who lacks a bit of professionalism.
The more I watch of CH the more I find him a detriment to red bull, a nasty sniping piece of s
t. DR had to move, he was never going to take one for the team as most drivers won’t, so he has tried something else. Again careers are short, you can’t sit there as the boss openly backs someone else and not you. CH just seems to come across as a very smarmy guy who lacks a bit of professionalism.ChocolateFrog said:
I don't particularly like or respect her but Paddy Lowe has left her hung out to dry. It was his job to deliver a competitive car and deliver it on time.
But was he actually allowed to do it?I've worked as a manager in place where I got zero back-up from the owners; it was Hell and as soon as I found somewhere half decent to jump to, I was off.
I couldn't quite believe CW saying "how did we get here? How is the car not ready?"... you're (nominally) in charge, it's your job to know. Seemed clear she'd rather ignore a problem than deal with it, to have the unpleasant conversations... which again takes me back to job mentioned above.
Also, +1 for CH being a slimeball of a manager (he might well be perfectly nice in other ways). I saw that in season 1 and I felt it may have been a big part of DR jumping... season 2 has done nothing to change that impression.
If nothing else It's amusing to hear some of the comments on personalities in a sport where the pursuit of victory is everything. I liked Albon , was entertained by Steiner, impressed by Binotto and increasingly irritated by Ricciardo but any conclusions I draw are entirely down to the hyperactive editing . There's no room - and Is suspect no demand - for anything other than black and white so any nuances of personality don't come out. Imagine if you had cameras at work for a year - anyone can be made to look like a saint or villain - entirely depending on what footage is used , and what it juxtaposes.
It's very enjoyable, but also superficial and sensational and suffers from the lack of informed commentary .
Horner may be as tough and ruthless as he sounds - but if I were Dieter Mateschitz then I think , after 62 Grand Prix wins , I'd be saying 'carry on as you are Christian'
It's very enjoyable, but also superficial and sensational and suffers from the lack of informed commentary .
Horner may be as tough and ruthless as he sounds - but if I were Dieter Mateschitz then I think , after 62 Grand Prix wins , I'd be saying 'carry on as you are Christian'
coppice said:
If nothing else It's amusing to hear some of the comments on personalities in a sport where the pursuit of victory is everything. I liked Albon , was entertained by Steiner, impressed by Binotto and increasingly irritated by Ricciardo but any conclusions I draw are entirely down to the hyperactive editing . There's no room - and Is suspect no demand - for anything other than black and white so any nuances of personality don't come out. Imagine if you had cameras at work for a year - anyone can be made to look like a saint or villain - entirely depending on what footage is used , and what it juxtaposes.
It's very enjoyable, but also superficial and sensational and suffers from the lack of informed commentary .
Horner may be as tough and ruthless as he sounds - but if I were Dieter Mateschitz then I think , after 62 Grand Prix wins , I'd be saying 'carry on as you are Christian'
Then again, we have and entirely different style of management for the winning team, the one that has dominated RB for season after season. It's very enjoyable, but also superficial and sensational and suffers from the lack of informed commentary .
Horner may be as tough and ruthless as he sounds - but if I were Dieter Mateschitz then I think , after 62 Grand Prix wins , I'd be saying 'carry on as you are Christian'
Logically, that's the one to go for.
Derek Smith said:
Then again, we have and entirely different style of management for the winning team, the one that has dominated RB for season after season.
Logically, that's the one to go for.
I would agree here. If 3rd place is RBs goal then crack on. If RB didnt have Max V I would imagine they would be even lower, he is carrying the team at the moment.Logically, that's the one to go for.
Derek Smith said:
Then again, we have and entirely different style of management for the winning team, the one that has dominated RB for season after season.
Logically, that's the one to go for.
The style of management to go for, is the one that keeps winning championships. Logically, that's the one to go for.
The stand-out from the new series was the way Toto Wolff runs his team, in contrast to almost all of the others. He’s the man you’d want to work for, the guy who will help you to be the best you can be - even though a lot of the Mercedes footage was of the only bad day they had in the entire season,
Horner in particular looked really bad as a boss, and poor Claire Williams was so damn far out of her depth that she didn’t even know what day she had to arrive at pre-season testing.
The editing and the disjointedness really annoyed me - but my wife loved it, and she’s probably more of the target market for this programme, than the guy who’ll be getting up in the middle of the night next weekend to watch the practice sessions!
My highlight was the engineering briefings, albeit not as detailed as I’d want them to be, and clearly only done on the condition that the tapes got locked in a safe somewhere until after the end of the season. Maybe we’ll get a little more of them this year.
As someone noted up thread, sad not to see mention of Charlie Whiting, even in passing. Although they did have two other arguably more significant deaths to deal with during the year, a dedication on the end of the first episode would have been a nod to Charlie and to the real fans watching.
coldel said:
Yes looked like he went to Monaco on the red bull promotion. To be honest life is short, he had a chance to live the dream, crack on I say!
Based on fairly regular Instagram posts he, Russell, Norris and Sainz appear to spend the vast majority of their time in the UK between European races or during the off season.I liked that Albon and Russell went to play golf today, Albon arrived in a Civic Type R although I assume he has his pick of Aston's.
Finally watched the williams episode last night, I’d only echo the thoughts that Claire Williams is at best naive and out of her depth, at worst...
We’ve seen plenty examples of her ineptitude over the last few seasons, her attitude to PL in the garage at barcelona was quite telling but you could give many more examples of how she’s destroying the team. She’s got a sloppy attitude and it breads sloppy behaviour in the team.
The woman can’t even get a decent haircut for goodness sake.
We’ve seen plenty examples of her ineptitude over the last few seasons, her attitude to PL in the garage at barcelona was quite telling but you could give many more examples of how she’s destroying the team. She’s got a sloppy attitude and it breads sloppy behaviour in the team.
The woman can’t even get a decent haircut for goodness sake.
ukaskew said:
Based on fairly regular Instagram posts he, Russell, Norris and Sainz appear to spend the vast majority of their time in the UK between European races or during the off season.
I liked that Albon and Russell went to play golf today, Albon arrived in a Civic Type R although I assume he has his pick of Aston's.
The type r was in the series too. He seems like a genuine down to earth guy, who has some ethics and morals about him - he will never last in F1 I liked that Albon and Russell went to play golf today, Albon arrived in a Civic Type R although I assume he has his pick of Aston's.
And as others have said Williams seem woefully lacking a leader, she seems very wishy washy from the series and doesn't have any authority about her. The way she blanked Lowe in the garage is typical of a leader not facing into challenges. Sure she is pissed off but you pull the guy up, you hear his story, you give your version, and take appropriate action based on that conversation - ok that might have happened off camera but she doesn't have anything about her that would make me think they are going to climb out of this pit they are in. Shame as I loved watching Mansell in that car growing up, how they have dropped back.
coldel said:
Yes looked like he went to Monaco on the red bull promotion. To be honest life is short, he had a chance to live the dream, crack on I say!
The more I watch of CH the more I find him a detriment to red bull, a nasty sniping piece of st. DR had to move, he was never going to take one for the team as most drivers won’t, so he has tried something else. Again careers are short, you can’t sit there as the boss openly backs someone else and not you. CH just seems to come across as a very smarmy guy who lacks a bit of professionalism.
Christian thinks Dan was running away from a fight with Max. I think he's right that Dan ran from a fight, but wrong about who Dan felt that fight was with.The more I watch of CH the more I find him a detriment to red bull, a nasty sniping piece of s
t. DR had to move, he was never going to take one for the team as most drivers won’t, so he has tried something else. Again careers are short, you can’t sit there as the boss openly backs someone else and not you. CH just seems to come across as a very smarmy guy who lacks a bit of professionalism.The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
coppice said:
If nothing else It's amusing to hear some of the comments on personalities in a sport where the pursuit of victory is everything. I liked Albon , was entertained by Steiner, impressed by Binotto and increasingly irritated by Ricciardo but any conclusions I draw are entirely down to the hyperactive editing . There's no room - and Is suspect no demand - for anything other than black and white so any nuances of personality don't come out. Imagine if you had cameras at work for a year - anyone can be made to look like a saint or villain - entirely depending on what footage is used , and what it juxtaposes.
It's very enjoyable, but also superficial and sensational and suffers from the lack of informed commentary .
Horner may be as tough and ruthless as he sounds - but if I were Dieter Mateschitz then I think , after 62 Grand Prix wins , I'd be saying 'carry on as you are Christian'
It's not just this series though; I've been following F1 for years, and so have heard CH talking on very many occasions, and over far too many of those I've formed a negative opinion of his management style. I'm was prepared, across these 2 seasons of shows, to take a deeper look - beyond the heat and pressure of the moment at races - but, no, he's still a slimey get when given all the time in the world to consider his words.It's very enjoyable, but also superficial and sensational and suffers from the lack of informed commentary .
Horner may be as tough and ruthless as he sounds - but if I were Dieter Mateschitz then I think , after 62 Grand Prix wins , I'd be saying 'carry on as you are Christian'
His style obviously leads to a certain level of success, but as others have said, I'd far rather work for/under/with Toto. And I think that would extend to a supplier relationship too - look at how he "handled" Renault.
Mind you, I'd rather either than Ferrari's management-by-national-media
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