Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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crankedup said:
It’s been an interesting read through most of this thread, and of course opinions will always differ.
Which for me is why I now enjoy Moto GP. in this we have multiple World Champion in Marques, and yet his race bike is almost unridable by any other GP rider, certainly to success. That for me is the mark of a genuine genius talent.
Formula 1 stick any of the current crop of drivers in the best car and they should deliver a podium.
Nobody else can eat the food I cook, doesn’t mean I’m great at eating.Which for me is why I now enjoy Moto GP. in this we have multiple World Champion in Marques, and yet his race bike is almost unridable by any other GP rider, certainly to success. That for me is the mark of a genuine genius talent.
Formula 1 stick any of the current crop of drivers in the best car and they should deliver a podium.
TheLimla said:
Wasnt it the Pacific GP that Senna stood trackside watching the Bennetons go round and was adamant that MSC's car had TC but not the sister car.
It was. Senna had been punted off at the first corner and watched much of the race from trackside. He reported back to Williams that one of the Bennetons was very different than the other. I believe the words 'traction' and 'control' may have been used...paulguitar said:
TheLimla said:
Wasnt it the Pacific GP that Senna stood trackside watching the Bennetons go round and was adamant that MSC's car had TC but not the sister car.
It was. Senna had been punted off at the first corner and watched much of the race from trackside. He reported back to Williams that one of the Bennetons was very different than the other. I believe the words 'traction' and 'control' may have been used...sparta6 said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Yes in the hands of MSC the Benetton was a contender in '94.
Yes in '99 MSC was helping out Salo on the phone and Irvine once back in the saddle to max out their points.
A proper team player
oh my god Yes in '99 MSC was helping out Salo on the phone and Irvine once back in the saddle to max out their points.
A proper team player
Congratulations sparta you just hit expert level trolling
A year later the FIA did find McLaren guilty of using an illegal gearbox, but strangely no punishment IIRC.
But the Benetton in 1994 was the car to beat. It was the most driveable where other teams, particularly Williams, who had got used to setting aggressive aero with a narrow operating margin and letting the stability of active suspension make sure the chassis didn't go outside its parameters, really struggled to forget all that and go back to making a car that was driveable while it dove under braking and pitched under power. It was a very difficult car to drive, and maybe by the end of the season they had caught up but it wasn't the class of the field through the season. I've read that with interviews with Benetton, Adrian Newey's book confirms it was one of a number of times a new one of his cars had been fussy aerodynamically at the start of a season, and of course Senna and Hill both said the Williams was very unforgiving and difficult to drive.
But you can't separate the driver from the car. Schumacher set some great records, but Hamilton is going to beat them. And he will owe no more of his success to his cars than Michael did, as I'm sure you'll disagree.
paulguitar said:
Walkinshaw was involved then as well, iirc?
He definitely had a reputation.
The apocryphal story that gives me a chuckle about the BTCC Volvo estates: perfectly standard shells, unless you tried a standard windscreen...in which case, it was too big for the hole...He definitely had a reputation.
...love to believe it was true, a very "creative" gentleman.kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
kiseca said:
sparta6 said:
Yes in the hands of MSC the Benetton was a contender in '94.
Yes in '99 MSC was helping out Salo on the phone and Irvine once back in the saddle to max out their points.
A proper team player
oh my god Yes in '99 MSC was helping out Salo on the phone and Irvine once back in the saddle to max out their points.
A proper team player
Congratulations sparta you just hit expert level trolling
A year later the FIA did find McLaren guilty of using an illegal gearbox, but strangely no punishment IIRC.
But the Benetton in 1994 was the car to beat. It was the most driveable where other teams, particularly Williams, who had got used to setting aggressive aero with a narrow operating margin and letting the stability of active suspension make sure the chassis didn't go outside its parameters, really struggled to forget all that and go back to making a car that was driveable while it dove under braking and pitched under power. It was a very difficult car to drive, and maybe by the end of the season they had caught up but it wasn't the class of the field through the season. I've read that with interviews with Benetton, Adrian Newey's book confirms it was one of a number of times a new one of his cars had been fussy aerodynamically at the start of a season, and of course Senna and Hill both said the Williams was very unforgiving and difficult to drive.
But you can't separate the driver from the car. Schumacher set some great records, but Hamilton is going to beat them. And he will owe no more of his success to his cars than Michael did, as I'm sure you'll disagree.
And then you added your final para.
Senna hustling a recalcitrant Toleman and Schumacher hustling a dogs
t F310 were on another level to anything we've seen Hamilton do in an F1 car.We see things differently, and that's fine
angrymoby said:
Benetton misdemeanors/ suspicions were almost endless that year:
traction control
launch control
ignoring drive through penalties & black flags
fuel rig tampering
then again, what did we expect when Briatore was in charge
Correct.traction control
launch control
ignoring drive through penalties & black flags
fuel rig tampering
then again, what did we expect when Briatore was in charge
TC was unproven
LC was unproven
It's almost as if someone within the FIA didn't like Briatore.
This was when the FIA had teeth and plenty of punishment was dished out
sparta6 said:
Senna hustling a recalcitrant Toleman and Schumacher hustling a dogst F310 were on another level to anything we've seen Hamilton do in an F1 car.
We see things differently, and that's fine
You've settled on your opinion, we all know as the best driver Hamilton will never drive the equivalent of a Toleman, and so you get to keep your entrenched position forever.t F310 were on another level to anything we've seen Hamilton do in an F1 car.We see things differently, and that's fine
paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
As did other teams who were allegedly using it.
Please tell me more. I don't recall others being accused of this but more than happy to be corrected.Both Benetton and Ferrari stated that TC was disabled. Codes couldn't be activated and deactivated by the drivers.
paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
Senna hustling a recalcitrant Toleman and Schumacher hustling a dogst F310 were on another level to anything we've seen Hamilton do in an F1 car.
We see things differently, and that's fine
You've settled on your opinion, we all know as the best driver Hamilton will never drive the equivalent of a Toleman, and so you get to keep your entrenched position forever.t F310 were on another level to anything we've seen Hamilton do in an F1 car.We see things differently, and that's fine
Lauda did it. Schumacher did it.
LeClerc is in for a rough ride.
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