Sebastian Vettel
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entropy said:
Muzzer79 said:
I don't understand the repeated suggestions on these pages to bring Hulkenburg back.
He had a seat. He wasn't quick enough, so he lost his seat.
Why bring him back just because Ricciardo's going? You'd want someone in there who's fast.
Every season is a game of musical chairs with raised hopes and expectations but clueless at making the car go quickerHe had a seat. He wasn't quick enough, so he lost his seat.
Why bring him back just because Ricciardo's going? You'd want someone in there who's fast.
Ocon is highly rated and possibly quicker than Hulk.
Hulk is proven driver who understands the dynamics of the Renault car - just look at how Smiley Daniel went to Grumpy Daniel as he struggled to adapt to the Renault.
I just don't see how having Hulk back is a bad thing.
His highest finishing position is 4th, which has has achieved only 3 times, the most recent being in 2016 in the Force India.
Compare him to Sergio Perez, who is certainly not Ayrton Senna in terms of talent.
Sergio has had a similar-length career driving for Sauber, McLaren and Force India/RP. He has scored 5 podiums in that time in what one could argue are similar-grade cars.
I actually like Nico, but he's just not cutting it. I think he deserves a place in F1 in a team like Williams, who need his experience, but if I was the Renault F1 team manager and looking to move up the grid, bringing him back would be a mistake.
Muzzer79 said:
Hulkenburg had 10 seasons in F1, racing for Williams, Sauber, Force India and Renault.
His highest finishing position is 4th, which has has achieved only 3 times, the most recent being in 2016 in the Force India.
Compare him to Sergio Perez, who is certainly not Ayrton Senna in terms of talent.
Sergio has had a similar-length career driving for Sauber, McLaren and Force India/RP. He has scored 5 podiums in that time in what one could argue are similar-grade cars.
I actually like Nico, but he's just not cutting it. I think he deserves a place in F1 in a team like Williams, who need his experience, but if I was the Renault F1 team manager and looking to move up the grid, bringing him back would be a mistake.
Agree with your assessment of Hulk but ultimately Renault need some form of stability - Hulk is a known quantity who understands the cars' traits can help with development; having two potentially fast drivers new to the team and you potentially have two drivers trying to get their heads round the car - not necessarily good for car development which Renault desperately need.His highest finishing position is 4th, which has has achieved only 3 times, the most recent being in 2016 in the Force India.
Compare him to Sergio Perez, who is certainly not Ayrton Senna in terms of talent.
Sergio has had a similar-length career driving for Sauber, McLaren and Force India/RP. He has scored 5 podiums in that time in what one could argue are similar-grade cars.
I actually like Nico, but he's just not cutting it. I think he deserves a place in F1 in a team like Williams, who need his experience, but if I was the Renault F1 team manager and looking to move up the grid, bringing him back would be a mistake.
entropy said:
Agree with your assessment of Hulk but ultimately Renault need some form of stability - Hulk is a known quantity who understands the cars' traits can help with development; having two potentially fast drivers new to the team and you potentially have two drivers trying to get their heads round the car - not necessarily good for car development which Renault desperately need.
In other cases I would agree about stability and car development. But with Renault right now, I don't think they had the £££ available to develop a particularly competitive car for this season or next, and their future looks shaky in general. In many ways better to get in drivers that bring drama and sponsorship for the sake of the team being more successful as marketing tool and less demanding of Renault cash injection.Cue... Alonso
Which is tragic but it's what I think will happen.
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 28th May 16:04
paulguitar said:
I suspect if Hamilton was all of a sudden looking for a seat, he'd be found one almost anywhere by pretty much any means necessary. It's hard to consider him as anything other than the best driver in F1. Certainly, we know that is how the team managers see him.
Hamilton in a non-Mercedes powered car would be great for the sport and provide him with a fresh challenge.But would he be willing to take a calculated risk ?
paulguitar said:
I suspect if Hamilton was all of a sudden looking for a seat, he'd be found one almost anywhere by pretty much any means necessary. It's hard to consider him as anything other than the best driver in F1. Certainly, we know that is how the team managers see him.
Hamilton in a non-Mercedes powered car would be great for the sport and provide him with a fresh challenge.But would he be willing to take a calculated risk ?
Bo_apex said:
Hamilton in a non-Mercedes powered car would be great for the sport and provide him with a fresh challenge.
But would he be willing to take a calculated risk ?
It's hard to imagine anything other than Hamilton and Mercedes staying together. The best team and the best driver, and some work still to be done to firm up the few remaining records.But would he be willing to take a calculated risk ?
I could imagine a move after that though if Lewis wishes to stick around a bit longer.
paulguitar said:
Sa Calobra said:
I imagine after Merc he will go onto Le Man's etc probably in a Merc partnership
Do you think so? I don't think he'll want to do 'lesser' formulae. I have a feeling once he's out we won't see him in a racing car ever again.
I don't believe Hamilton would walk into any other seat, because I doubt anybody but the top 3 could afford him. No reason to believe he'd drop his price to such an affordable level to cruise around the midfield. Equally, he and Mercedes might be the best match in the world, but if he asks for more than they're willing to pay and they can't meet in the middle, it's bye bye Lewis and hello somebody else (either the team or the driver decide to split).
See Damon Hill 1996, Button 2009 and Sebastien Vettel 2020 for examples.
See Damon Hill 1996, Button 2009 and Sebastien Vettel 2020 for examples.
janesmith1950 said:
I don't believe Hamilton would walk into any other seat, because I doubt anybody but the top 3 could afford him. No reason to believe he'd drop his price to such an affordable level to cruise around the midfield. Equally, he and Mercedes might be the best match in the world, but if he asks for more than they're willing to pay and they can't meet in the middle, it's bye bye Lewis and hello somebody else (either the team or the driver decide to split).
See Damon Hill 1996, Button 2009 and Sebastien Vettel 2020 for examples.
Damon was sacked. See Damon Hill 1996, Button 2009 and Sebastien Vettel 2020 for examples.
housen said:
Fundoreen said:
sparta6 said:
In other news - the streets on Monaco were eerily quiet over the weekend 
Must be desperate. The one thing to make being stuck there worthwhile cancelled... or were you being sarcastic ?
janesmith1950 said:
I don't believe Hamilton would walk into any other seat, because I doubt anybody but the top 3 could afford him. No reason to believe he'd drop his price to such an affordable level to cruise around the midfield. Equally, he and Mercedes might be the best match in the world, but if he asks for more than they're willing to pay and they can't meet in the middle, it's bye bye Lewis and hello somebody else (either the team or the driver decide to split).
See Damon Hill 1996, Button 2009 and Sebastien Vettel 2020 for examples.
None of those examples remotely compare to the value of Lewis at Mercedes, given the unique job they have to finish together.See Damon Hill 1996, Button 2009 and Sebastien Vettel 2020 for examples.
One more successful push together and they could set records that could conceivably last for decades, shining down on the Mercedes brand as 'the ones to beat' long after they have left the sport.
If there was a marketing value put on that potential, I imagine it would far exceed any salary he could dream of asking. That said, we all know he likes to appear 'real' and 'current', so I think it's highly likely he'll agree a lower salary than discussed previously and make some sort of PR friendly statement about why, and how he's doing his bit etc etc..
Gazzab said:
Have you been there? It’s not somewhere I’d choose to live. The cheese and money is rather dull. There is no culture.
I agree. It's a concrete jungle. Many nicer places on the south coast to actually live, even if you have to pay tax... OK to visit and the F1 is a spectacle, as are the annual fireworks... but not to stay.
vaud said:
I agree. It's a concrete jungle. Many nicer places on the south coast to actually live, even if you have to pay tax...
OK to visit and the F1 is a spectacle, as are the annual fireworks... but not to stay.
Totally about no culture, and yes it's an ugly place if you look inland.. I quite like early morning though, when there is an army quite literally polishing the place. I also like that the residents know they can't show off with money alone, so they show off via owning the most rare and exclusive cars... I've sat in casino square with an €18 half pint of beer a few times and watched the most unbelievable inventory roll through OK to visit and the F1 is a spectacle, as are the annual fireworks... but not to stay.
As a place to visit, 2-3 nights is definitely enough. As a place to live it would indeed be crap - unless you are extremely rich, in which case it's a no brainer tax-wise and super safe. Also one of a handful of places in the world that money can be splashed around with childlike abandon, and the rest of the country won't think you're an absolute c**t.
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