Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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angrymoby said:
Muzzer79 said:
Just as a driver from the 2020's would look at an old F1 car, be flummoxed by the old tech and admire the 50s/60s driver's bravery and skill to drive it fast.
not sure that's true, as karts/ junior formula are pretty basic stillA car is a car fundamentally, but the point is neither era was simple.
Nice article about him in the Grauniad. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/09/what...
heebeegeetee said:
Nice article about him in the Grauniad. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/09/what...
Thanks for posting... Muzzer79 said:
They don't have cross-ply tyres, fuelling mid-race by a funnel and barrel or wire wheels, to name but few.
A car is a car fundamentally, but the point is neither era was simple.
i'm genuinely curious as to how any of those makes things more complex for a driver?A car is a car fundamentally, but the point is neither era was simple.
I mean cross ply would have had idiosyncrasies, but at least you dont have to worry about aerodynamic grip & it's relationship with them, or subsequent chemical grip, let alone different compounds (showing my ignorance, but did they even use different compounds back then?)
Edited by angrymoby on Friday 9th October 18:55
Seeing as every year loads of modern pros manage to get the best out of ye olde cars at Goodwood I’d say the ability in the car was there.
Circuit danger may have an effect but I believe most drivers don’t think they are going to crash so generally don’t worry about it. Kubica shows with rallying that modern drivers are willing to be on unsafe roads flat out (though in much safer cars)
Circuit danger may have an effect but I believe most drivers don’t think they are going to crash so generally don’t worry about it. Kubica shows with rallying that modern drivers are willing to be on unsafe roads flat out (though in much safer cars)
Impossible to become an F1 driver without supreme confidence and desire to win at all costs (I await examples to the contrary). If F1 was still as unsafe as it was in the 70s, modern F1 drivers would be just as keen to put their lives on the line as previous generations did.
I imagine the fastest drivers of today probably wouldn't live very long though, perhaps cautious more journeyman drivers like Perez and Hulkenberg would be the ones to hoover up all the trophies?
I imagine the fastest drivers of today probably wouldn't live very long though, perhaps cautious more journeyman drivers like Perez and Hulkenberg would be the ones to hoover up all the trophies?
They said in the past that given the choice between a safe car and a fast car they'd all pick the faster one, which is why safety legislation (and most legislation in general) must be universally imposed by consensus and falls apart when some start ignoring it.
I'm sure if Red bull could overtake Merc by deleting the Halo or removing wheel tethers Max would be all for it.
I'm sure if Red bull could overtake Merc by deleting the Halo or removing wheel tethers Max would be all for it.
glazbagun said:
They said in the past that given the choice between a safe car and a fast car they'd all pick the faster one, which is why safety legislation (and most legislation in general) must be universally imposed by consensus and falls apart when some start ignoring it.
I'm sure if Red bull could overtake Merc by deleting the Halo or removing wheel tethers Max would be all for it.
Which is why we had no running today, annoying though it was for the crowd and TV audience. I'm sure if Red bull could overtake Merc by deleting the Halo or removing wheel tethers Max would be all for it.
Well done to Jackie Stewart, Bernie Ecclestone, Sid Watkins and the many others who contributed to the fact that F1 no longer goes to several funerals every year.
vaud said:
paulguitar said:
Aegir said:
Stewart is really annoying. He apparently started the move towards safety in F1 and yet happily drove past his competitors while they burned to death.
Um...?
Stewart did a lot to campaign for driver safety after the accidents. but I don't recall (I was too young) where he stopped like Senna and run into danger and help a driver.
EDIT: sorry I'm taking us off thread topic.
Edited by vaud on Tuesday 6th October 17:52
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGIr3YrhoCR/?igshid=16...
They really were bombs on wheels!
Edited by glazbagun on Friday 9th October 21:34
FYE, the Stewart podcast :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz94feSxjyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz94feSxjyU
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 11th October 03:43
Halfway through that, will finish it later.
He really does seem to struggle to praise Hamilton. Although from his perspective, maybe we fail to praise Fangio and Clark enough.
I wonder as well how much the time compression of getting older affects your view. The loss of Eddie Van Halen or Bowie really hit me as they were a part of my childhood and my teenage bands are still among my favourites. I can respect many new musicians, but they'll never have the same place in my heart because I'm older now and I'm never going to be an excited screaming fan again.
I still remember the excitement of getting up at Stupid AM in 1994 to see who would win the '94 WDC and the burning sense of injustice at Schumacher hitting Hill to win it. The highlights seem farther between and dimmer as I get older.
2014-20 must seem like a week compared to remembering where you were when Jim Clark or Cevert died or seeing Fangio as a kid. I wonder if he even watches the races these days.
He really does seem to struggle to praise Hamilton. Although from his perspective, maybe we fail to praise Fangio and Clark enough.
I wonder as well how much the time compression of getting older affects your view. The loss of Eddie Van Halen or Bowie really hit me as they were a part of my childhood and my teenage bands are still among my favourites. I can respect many new musicians, but they'll never have the same place in my heart because I'm older now and I'm never going to be an excited screaming fan again.
I still remember the excitement of getting up at Stupid AM in 1994 to see who would win the '94 WDC and the burning sense of injustice at Schumacher hitting Hill to win it. The highlights seem farther between and dimmer as I get older.
2014-20 must seem like a week compared to remembering where you were when Jim Clark or Cevert died or seeing Fangio as a kid. I wonder if he even watches the races these days.
- Also, watching the above video of the Ickx crash above makes me appreciate Stewarts fury towards Senna and his crashes at the time. That looks like such a low speed accident it would barely raise a comment now, yet look at the damage it did! Also love the firemarshals trying to dodge the cars with the hosepipe. It really was comically bad.
Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 10th October 12:04
paulguitar said:
Well, 91.
I never thought I'd see Schumacher's win count matched in my lifetime. Felt quite emotional watching Mick hand over that crash helmet on the podium there.
Bravo Lewis, and bravo Michael.
That was a lovely moment. Hamilton looked a bit overwhelmed by it. I never thought I'd see Schumacher's win count matched in my lifetime. Felt quite emotional watching Mick hand over that crash helmet on the podium there.
Bravo Lewis, and bravo Michael.
A hell of an achievement by Hamilton.
M5-911 said:
vdn said:
paulguitar said:
Well, 91.
I never thought I'd see Schumacher's win count matched in my lifetime. Felt quite emotional watching Mick hand over that crash helmet on the podium there.
Bravo Lewis, and bravo Michael.
Ditto this as well.
+1I never thought I'd see Schumacher's win count matched in my lifetime. Felt quite emotional watching Mick hand over that crash helmet on the podium there.
Bravo Lewis, and bravo Michael.
Ditto this as well.
Hamilton,although has a ruthless streak, I feel is a true Gentleman racer and is know entering Legendry status.
Well done Lewis, long may it continue!!
Had a tear when Michael junior gave him his Dads Racing Helmet. Must be very hard for the Lad, I can't wait to see him in Formula 1!!!
Great interview here. Very humble champion and very respectful towards his competitors:
https://youtu.be/xlSXrhL2qp4
https://youtu.be/xlSXrhL2qp4
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