Official 2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Poll: Official 2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Total Members Polled: 173

Verstappen: 33%
Perez: 2%
Leclerc: 9%
Sainz: 3%
Russell: 2%
Hamilton: 17%
Norris: 31%
Piastri: 1%
Alonso: 4%
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Bo_apex

2,594 posts

220 months

Tuesday 21st November 2023
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EmailAddress said:
I wish they'd go back to Brands one final time.

It wouldn't work. Too bumpy, too narrow, too small etc etc.

But by fk, Quali would be epic cool
+1 for Brands.
The biggest problem is the current lardy cars.

The circuit is far more challenging than Silverstone and better for spectators, but the politics probably won't let it happen.

Wills2

23,133 posts

177 months

Tuesday 21st November 2023
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Sandpit Steve said:
More evidence of the Americans going totally mad over the weekend.

One of the TV networks sent a comedian dressed up as a driver - and he got interviews with a whole load of F1 drivers and TPs, as well as crashing the VIP party and getting a Hot Lap.

They do some really good stuff with Guillermo on the Kimmel show, send him to the Oscars and lots of other events/skits they do, all pre arranged and scripted (as you well know) but nice try.










Bo_apex

2,594 posts

220 months

Tuesday 21st November 2023
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EmailAddress said:
BunkMoreland said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Max can't race.

He either crashes into the other driver or forces them off the track.

He will have records but doesn't deserve to be put in the same breath as Schumi or Alonso or senna
I agree he can't race wheel to wheel. But ironically he is in the same breath as Michael and Ayrton in the "I'm putting my car there and if you dont avoid me, we'll crash"


Theres a video on YT of Hamilton saying he "treats Max differently when racing wheel to wheel" and then they ask Seb the same question and he just agrees with Lewis. Thats telling.

I can genuinely imagine a moment for Max before the end of his career, where he'll literally T bone his title competitor to win the title. I simply cant think of any champ from the last 30 years (aside from the aforementioned) that would do that.
If you drove like Max drives now <90s you'd be dead.
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most

Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.

Jasandjules

70,012 posts

231 months

Tuesday 21st November 2023
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paulw123 said:
Pretty sure both Ferraris had one fail quite early in the season?
Yes I have visions of it being Austria for Carlos, he was sat at teh verge with his car on fire?!?! I may be dreaming of course.

RichB

51,797 posts

286 months

Tuesday 21st November 2023
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Bo_apex said:
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most. Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.
I imagine Alonso and Hamilton would do rather well. They have had some amazing side by side battles and not touched.

paulguitar

23,895 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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RichB said:
Bo_apex said:
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most. Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.
I imagine Alonso and Hamilton would do rather well. They have had some amazing side by side battles and not touched.
Agreed. They'd be brilliant in FW11s, seeing Alonso and Hamilton in them would be fantastic.



Bo_apex

2,594 posts

220 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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paulguitar said:
RichB said:
Bo_apex said:
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most. Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.
I imagine Alonso and Hamilton would do rather well. They have had some amazing side by side battles and not touched.
Agreed. They'd be brilliant in FW11s, seeing Alonso and Hamilton in them would be fantastic.
Providing they are not team mates.


  • ask Nico Rosberg and George Russell for further details on Hamilton donks

isaldiri

18,781 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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RichB said:
Bo_apex said:
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most. Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.
I imagine Alonso and Hamilton would do rather well. They have had some amazing side by side battles and not touched.
Put both of them in a bitter championship battle and it seems rather unlikely that they would still battle it out on track quite as cleanly if it was wheel to wheel....

paulguitar

23,895 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Have to say overall I was really pleasantly surprised with the Las Vegas race.

I'd woken up early strongly suspecting that I'd regret doing so, but I thought it was one of the most entertaining races of the year.

It was a reminder, if one were needed, that having a fight for the lead is a very significant part of what makes a race interesting/exciting.






paulguitar

23,895 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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isaldiri said:
RichB said:
Bo_apex said:
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most. Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.
I imagine Alonso and Hamilton would do rather well. They have had some amazing side by side battles and not touched.
Put both of them in a bitter championship battle and it seems rather unlikely that they would still battle it out on track quite as cleanly if it was wheel to wheel....
Alonso and Hamilton have always raced hard but fair on the circuit. Even in 2007, when things got very heated, I don't think they ever took each other out on track, did they?



Henson

200 posts

47 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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isaldiri said:
Put both of them in a bitter championship battle and it seems rather unlikely that they would still battle it out on track quite as cleanly if it was wheel to wheel....
If only the two of them had been direct rivals in equal equipment in a bitter championship battle before, eh?


PhilAsia

3,924 posts

77 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Henson said:
isaldiri said:
Put both of them in a bitter championship battle and it seems rather unlikely that they would still battle it out on track quite as cleanly if it was wheel to wheel....
If only the two of them had been direct rivals in equal equipment in a bitter championship battle before, eh?
rofl

If only...

paulguitar

23,895 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Henson said:
isaldiri said:
Put both of them in a bitter championship battle and it seems rather unlikely that they would still battle it out on track quite as cleanly if it was wheel to wheel....
If only the two of them had been direct rivals in equal equipment in a bitter championship battle before, eh?
hehe

isaldiri

18,781 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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paulguitar said:
Alonso and Hamilton have always raced hard but fair on the circuit. Even in 2007, when things got very heated, I don't think they ever took each other out on track, did they?
It's quite a long time ago obviously but I don't quite recall they were actually wheel to wheel very much then? Especially once things started getting somewhat frosty at Mclaren and quite unlike Rosberg/Hamilton in 2016 or Verstappen/Hamilton in 2021. Even Vettel/Hamilton in 2018 tbh.

It seemed more like one would get a stronger run in the race and build a good enough lead that the other wouldn't be quite able to get back on even terms after.

paulguitar

23,895 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
Alonso and Hamilton have always raced hard but fair on the circuit. Even in 2007, when things got very heated, I don't think they ever took each other out on track, did they?
It's quite a long time ago obviously but I don't quite recall they were actually wheel to wheel very much then? Especially once things started getting somewhat frosty at Mclaren and quite unlike Rosberg/Hamilton in 2016 or Verstappen/Hamilton in 2021. Even Vettel/Hamilton in 2018 tbh.

It seemed more like one would get a stronger run in the race and build a good enough lead that the other wouldn't be quite able to get back on even terms after.
They did run close together in a few races, iirc. There was one (either Canada or USA, I think) where Fernando veered across towards the pit wall to make a point to the team because Hamilton was in front and they did not move him out of the way. I don't think they ever clashed on track physically though.

isaldiri

18,781 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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paulguitar said:
They did run close together in a few races, iirc. There was one (either Canada or USA, I think) where Fernando veered across towards the pit wall to make a point to the team because Hamilton was in front and they did not move him out of the way. I don't think they ever clashed on track physically though.
Belgium is the one that comes to mind as Alonso shoved Hamilton off the track pretty much at the start and just kept his foot stuck in up eau rouge and kept the position... but as I said, I don't quite recall a lot of argy bargy where the 2 were in close contact over a couple of laps the way some of the other more recent championship battles turned out.

PhilAsia

3,924 posts

77 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
They did run close together in a few races, iirc. There was one (either Canada or USA, I think) where Fernando veered across towards the pit wall to make a point to the team because Hamilton was in front and they did not move him out of the way. I don't think they ever clashed on track physically though.
Belgium is the one that comes to mind as Alonso shoved Hamilton off the track pretty much at the start and just kept his foot stuck in up eau rouge and kept the position... but as I said, I don't quite recall a lot of argy bargy where the 2 were in close contact over a couple of laps the way some of the other more recent championship battles turned out.
Correct. Hamilton being the more circumspect on this occasion, as Brundle points out


SoulGlo

96 posts

33 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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520TORQUES said:
Next years ticket sales will tell you if this race works from a spectator interest perspective.

Liberty have a job to do to stop FP1/2 turning into a long term stshow. The initial signs are not good, comments and offers to those affected have been very poor.
Bet they make it a Sprint Race next year...

Muzzer79

10,186 posts

189 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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paulguitar said:
isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
Alonso and Hamilton have always raced hard but fair on the circuit. Even in 2007, when things got very heated, I don't think they ever took each other out on track, did they?
It's quite a long time ago obviously but I don't quite recall they were actually wheel to wheel very much then? Especially once things started getting somewhat frosty at Mclaren and quite unlike Rosberg/Hamilton in 2016 or Verstappen/Hamilton in 2021. Even Vettel/Hamilton in 2018 tbh.

It seemed more like one would get a stronger run in the race and build a good enough lead that the other wouldn't be quite able to get back on even terms after.
They did run close together in a few races, iirc. There was one (either Canada or USA, I think) where Fernando veered across towards the pit wall to make a point to the team because Hamilton was in front and they did not move him out of the way. I don't think they ever clashed on track physically though.
Monaco 2007 was a battle between them IIRC?

Not that Hamilton was going to be able to pass, but he made a point.



asfault

12,343 posts

181 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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paulguitar said:
isaldiri said:
RichB said:
Bo_apex said:
Some are simply exploiting the amazing safety of today's missiles with Max exploiting the most. Put them all in an FW11 and see what happens.
I imagine Alonso and Hamilton would do rather well. They have had some amazing side by side battles and not touched.
Put both of them in a bitter championship battle and it seems rather unlikely that they would still battle it out on track quite as cleanly if it was wheel to wheel....
Alonso and Hamilton have always raced hard but fair on the circuit. Even in 2007, when things got very heated, I don't think they ever took each other out on track, did they?
Also tried to 'take Lewis out" in the pits once though... lol