RE: No predictability in 2014 F1
Discussion
surpryze said:
It is entirely possible that things could change before the start of next season... or do you take everything online as gospel?
Yes, I bet they'll abandon 12 months and tens of millions in R&D, dump the engines they've already built and start again without turbo's just because there's a disbeliever that can't read on the internet.CraigyMc said:
Marussia obviously have sod all money in F1 terms, but they have good people: it's Manor Motorsport under a Russian brand. They are proper engineers without the budget or scale to compete at the front. They use the same facilities as McLaren (simulator, CFD and wind tunnel).
With Jules Bianchi driving for them and Mercedes engines next year, they may actually start off fairly well (before being rapidly outdeveloped by everyone except Caterham, as usual).
except Marussia are switching to Ferrari not Mercedes. And while nobody really knows who will have the best power unit most people seam to think that Ferrari are struggling compared with the other three.With Jules Bianchi driving for them and Mercedes engines next year, they may actually start off fairly well (before being rapidly outdeveloped by everyone except Caterham, as usual).
Speedy11 said:
CraigyMc said:
Marussia obviously have sod all money in F1 terms, but they have good people: it's Manor Motorsport under a Russian brand. They are proper engineers without the budget or scale to compete at the front. They use the same facilities as McLaren (simulator, CFD and wind tunnel).
With Jules Bianchi driving for them and Mercedes engines next year, they may actually start off fairly well (before being rapidly outdeveloped by everyone except Caterham, as usual).
except Marussia are switching to Ferrari not Mercedes. And while nobody really knows who will have the best power unit most people seam to think that Ferrari are struggling compared with the other three.With Jules Bianchi driving for them and Mercedes engines next year, they may actually start off fairly well (before being rapidly outdeveloped by everyone except Caterham, as usual).
as you were{eta: was thinking about Williams, while writing about the Mercedes thing!}
Edited by CraigyMc on Thursday 7th November 13:19
marshall100 said:
Are any of the teams running 2014 bits on their cars allready?
I mean you would wouldn't you?
Williams aren't running a fancy exhaust any more, but that's more of an admission that their diffuser/floor blowing wasn't working anyway. Several of the teams have stated things along the lines of "we're only putting stuff on the car that will work next year too, now".I mean you would wouldn't you?
Next years aero regs are really quite different from this year - the front wing and nose is utterly different (the noses are much lower next year), there's no beam wing allowed at the back, and there's a regulation exhaust position next year. In addition, the heat rejection from the new engine package is going to make cooling the cars very hard from next year compared to this.
CraigyMc said:
Next years aero regs are really quite different from this year - the front wing and nose is utterly different (the noses are much lower next year), there's no beam wing allowed at the back, and there's a regulation exhaust position next year. In addition, the heat rejection from the new engine package is going to make cooling the cars very hard from next year compared to this.
Darren Heath said:
How will the new cars look?
During a recent shoot at one midfield F1 team I was fortunate to see – but not photograph! – about 60 per cent of their 2014 car.
My overall impression was not particularly positive. The power unit of course is a significantly different lump of architecture in terms of the size of the internal combustion engine, the relatively large turbocharger assembly, the exhaust configuration and the increased ratio gearbox, but bigger than all of these is the cooling challenge.
The radiators looked akin to something one would expect to see in a ’90s IndyCar. Large, crude, boxy-shaped lumps that bear little in common with the thin, curvy-lined wafers employed now.
As all F1 designers will tell you, to come up with a solution that will cool is reasonably simple, but to have a system that will cool and give the optimum aerodynamic performance is the challenge.
The lower noses are a welcome change, producing cars that look more like racers of old. Just 185mm off the ground (down from 550mm currently), the noses have a more ‘attached’ silhouette – and are so low that this year’s front jacks won’t fit underneath them!
Of course with all these changes will come variation, as different design teams settle on differing answers to the many challenges they face.
We’re probably correct not to anticipate late ’60s/early ’70s-like car dissimilarities, but it’s very likely the 2014 Australian Grand Prix will play host to a number of distinctions in car design.
During a recent shoot at one midfield F1 team I was fortunate to see – but not photograph! – about 60 per cent of their 2014 car.
My overall impression was not particularly positive. The power unit of course is a significantly different lump of architecture in terms of the size of the internal combustion engine, the relatively large turbocharger assembly, the exhaust configuration and the increased ratio gearbox, but bigger than all of these is the cooling challenge.
The radiators looked akin to something one would expect to see in a ’90s IndyCar. Large, crude, boxy-shaped lumps that bear little in common with the thin, curvy-lined wafers employed now.
As all F1 designers will tell you, to come up with a solution that will cool is reasonably simple, but to have a system that will cool and give the optimum aerodynamic performance is the challenge.
The lower noses are a welcome change, producing cars that look more like racers of old. Just 185mm off the ground (down from 550mm currently), the noses have a more ‘attached’ silhouette – and are so low that this year’s front jacks won’t fit underneath them!
Of course with all these changes will come variation, as different design teams settle on differing answers to the many challenges they face.
We’re probably correct not to anticipate late ’60s/early ’70s-like car dissimilarities, but it’s very likely the 2014 Australian Grand Prix will play host to a number of distinctions in car design.
surpryze said:
Wills2 said:
Not sure you need to google the fact that next years cars will be turbos? Did you not read the article before posting...
It is entirely possible that things could change before the start of next season... or do you take everything online as gospel?A bit of light reading for you....
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2013/8/14875...
P.S It's OK to admit you didn't know your dick won't shrivel.
HTH.
marshall100 said:
Are any of the teams running 2014 bits on their cars allready?
I mean you would wouldn't you?
There's been some testing of the narrower front wings in practice sessions, and from that the latest spec of turning vanes that have sprouted on the RB front wing are supposedly from finding some interesting ways to turn the flow on next years wings.I mean you would wouldn't you?
Speedy11 said:
except Marussia are switching to Ferrari not Mercedes. And while nobody really knows who will have the best power unit most people seam to think that Ferrari are struggling compared with the other three.
...which has welcome from Ferrari themselves trying to scaremonger the FIA in to a larger fuel allowance of something.Typical ferrari brinksmanship. All that is left for them to do is threaten to pull out of F1 whilst shouting loudly that F1 couldn't exist without them.
It's rubbish. The engines and all associated packages are so tightly regulated that if the ferrari engine is down on power it is through stupidity or poor manufacturing. they've had 2 years to work the thing out, that's plenty of time in F1 terms.
gaz1234 said:
It's all about the tyres, not drivers..
As confirmed by JBhttp://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111205
One of the biggest groans about next year is over the complexity of the engine/regeneration package and the cooling problems, but also the cost and lack of options to source by the non manufacturer teams. What will happen to Williams if Maldonado takes his oil money elswhere? What kind of problems are McLaren taking on running Mercedes units next year then Honda in 2015? Can`t see Mercedes being too happy giving a Honda team access to all it`s data. Maybe Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull will carry on at the top after all.
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