NetFlix Drive to Survive season 2 (2019)
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i really enjoy this show, it’s cool to see some of the behind the scenes stuff. the way they interact, not the standard ‘press department’ answers we see on sky after a race.
agree that horner is not coming off in the best light in the show. again editing has a huge part to play, but he cannot deny that red bull have a 1-2 driver status. Also not fair to say daniel ran from a fight with max, especially when they were meant to be equal drivers, that max was on multiple times daniels salary. if your daniel, you know f1 is a hard gig, very easy to find yourself out of a drive if your not careful- why not take that pay day? you know deep down that red bull are never going to favour you for a championship , you’re getting paid way less than your equal team mate. damn right i’m heading off and taking that money. do well, help renault progress and maybe a seat at merc/ ferrari opens up in a few years time, if not, well you made a move, it didn’t work out. but you have plenty in the bank and can retire gracefully
agree that horner is not coming off in the best light in the show. again editing has a huge part to play, but he cannot deny that red bull have a 1-2 driver status. Also not fair to say daniel ran from a fight with max, especially when they were meant to be equal drivers, that max was on multiple times daniels salary. if your daniel, you know f1 is a hard gig, very easy to find yourself out of a drive if your not careful- why not take that pay day? you know deep down that red bull are never going to favour you for a championship , you’re getting paid way less than your equal team mate. damn right i’m heading off and taking that money. do well, help renault progress and maybe a seat at merc/ ferrari opens up in a few years time, if not, well you made a move, it didn’t work out. but you have plenty in the bank and can retire gracefully
Fundoreen said:
Exaggerated sounds and foul language season 2. Anyone that is an actual fan of F1 and follows the news will know pretty much everything already about last season.
This show is for people that find F1 boring in its full form and needs bite size edited footage and manufactured drama.
I have watched every season of F1 for the past 35 years. I enjoy DTS as an addition to the coverage of F1. It creates characters and intrigue. Why would we not relish and enjoy another perspective on our sport. This show is for people that find F1 boring in its full form and needs bite size edited footage and manufactured drama.
As a crap analogy, it would be like complaining that Peter Crouch podcast is not proper football.
Fundoreen said:
Exaggerated sounds and foul language season 2. Anyone that is an actual fan of F1 and follows the news will know pretty much everything already about last season.
This show is for people that find F1 boring in its full form and needs bite size edited footage and manufactured drama.
So you're saying you are better than people who like it?This show is for people that find F1 boring in its full form and needs bite size edited footage and manufactured drama.
kiseca said:
Christian thinks Dan was running away from a fight with Max. I think he's right that Dan ran from a fight, but wrong about who Dan felt that fight was with.
The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
Bang on, CH didn't realise that Dan looked at how he was biasing the team and knew without that support he would never be on the podium regularly, and to be honest, who wants to work in a company where you are constantly being openly demoted. I think Dan would have had a crack at Max, but he was always going to be held back by CH - so why stay?The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
coldel said:
kiseca said:
Christian thinks Dan was running away from a fight with Max. I think he's right that Dan ran from a fight, but wrong about who Dan felt that fight was with.
The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
Bang on, CH didn't realise that Dan looked at how he was biasing the team and knew without that support he would never be on the podium regularly, and to be honest, who wants to work in a company where you are constantly being openly demoted. I think Dan would have had a crack at Max, but he was always going to be held back by CH - so why stay?The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
I find it astounding anyone can think RIC a better driver than VER but that's the thing with opinions-mine included.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
That's only one way of looking at it. RIC had a much longer history with Red Bull the VER and they were privy to all the information.
I find it astounding anyone can think RIC a better driver than VER but that's the thing with opinions-mine included.
No one said that DR was a better driver, the point really was that he was being openly undermined by CH. That in effect makes your position untenable and you have to leave. Lets not forget, these drivers have spent a decade or more racing against other drivers, racing against drivers in their team that would have beat them at all levels. The idea he ran away because of being scared of battling MV is just outright ridiculous, these guys are highly competitive elite athletes. I find it astounding anyone can think RIC a better driver than VER but that's the thing with opinions-mine included.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
coldel said:
kiseca said:
Christian thinks Dan was running away from a fight with Max. I think he's right that Dan ran from a fight, but wrong about who Dan felt that fight was with.
The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
Bang on, CH didn't realise that Dan looked at how he was biasing the team and knew without that support he would never be on the podium regularly, and to be honest, who wants to work in a company where you are constantly being openly demoted. I think Dan would have had a crack at Max, but he was always going to be held back by CH - so why stay?The fact that he thinks Dan was running from Max in itself just betrays the attitude he had to both drivers at the time they were team mates. Like, despite beating Max over the last two seasons, CH clearly feels it was Dan who had all the work to do...
I find it astounding anyone can think RIC a better driver than VER but that's the thing with opinions-mine included.
defblade said:
I couldn't quite believe CW saying "how did we get here? How is the car not ready?"... you're (nominally) in charge, it's your job to know.
I’ve watched it now. Think everyone else has done a fair summary and I agree with all of it, but this was the standout for me. Can’t see any other team principal getting to that point without knowing what’s going on.Williams seems to be run as a living museum for frank and Claire is the caretaker. See the Williams documentary for further proof. Sorry to say but I can’t see any improvement on the horizon until he departs. Hope Patrick Head has enough of Frank’s ear to enable more of a departure from the ‘we used to be great’ handwringing that’s stymied the team.
Other comments:
Binotto - perhaps the most softly spoken and quiet mannered italian on the planet. Not much insight into the man, would be interested to see more of him.
Danny ric - seen more than enough of him. Tedious.
Russell - didn’t see the diva in him at all, odd that some drew that conclusion. Sure the radio outburst was strong but can’t say I disagreed with any of it. The silence of the senior engineers in the debrief showed that they didn’t either.
Gasly - seems a decent kid, seemed to struggle with the constant media attention over performance and wasn’t helped with any of it by the team (where was the media handler Albon had when gasly was getting mauled by interviewers?) Was great to see the emotional relief at brazil and I do hope he comes back from this.
shirt said:
I’ve watched it now. Think everyone else has done a fair summary and I agree with all of it, but this was the standout for me. Can’t see any other team principal getting to that point without knowing what’s going on.
Williams seems to be run as a living museum for frank and Claire is the caretaker. See the Williams documentary for further proof. Sorry to say but I can’t see any improvement on the horizon until he departs. Hope Patrick Head has enough of Frank’s ear to enable more of a departure from the ‘we used to be great’ handwringing that’s stymied the team.
Other comments:
Binotto - perhaps the most softly spoken and quiet mannered italian on the planet. Not much insight into the man, would be interested to see more of him.
Danny ric - seen more than enough of him. Tedious.
Russell - didn’t see the diva in him at all, odd that some drew that conclusion. Sure the radio outburst was strong but can’t say I disagreed with any of it. The silence of the senior engineers in the debrief showed that they didn’t either.
Gasly - seems a decent kid, seemed to struggle with the constant media attention over performance and wasn’t helped with any of it by the team (where was the media handler Albon had when gasly was getting mauled by interviewers?) Was great to see the emotional relief at brazil and I do hope he comes back from this.
Yes agree on the Gasly point, he was pretty much hung out to dry when Albon seemed to have a strong support to just walk away from the media if they wanted to. Williams seems to be run as a living museum for frank and Claire is the caretaker. See the Williams documentary for further proof. Sorry to say but I can’t see any improvement on the horizon until he departs. Hope Patrick Head has enough of Frank’s ear to enable more of a departure from the ‘we used to be great’ handwringing that’s stymied the team.
Other comments:
Binotto - perhaps the most softly spoken and quiet mannered italian on the planet. Not much insight into the man, would be interested to see more of him.
Danny ric - seen more than enough of him. Tedious.
Russell - didn’t see the diva in him at all, odd that some drew that conclusion. Sure the radio outburst was strong but can’t say I disagreed with any of it. The silence of the senior engineers in the debrief showed that they didn’t either.
Gasly - seems a decent kid, seemed to struggle with the constant media attention over performance and wasn’t helped with any of it by the team (where was the media handler Albon had when gasly was getting mauled by interviewers?) Was great to see the emotional relief at brazil and I do hope he comes back from this.
CW needs to go, as others said, she should have known that they were going to miss the milestones and dealt with it accordingly. Does she even know what she is meant to be doing day to day.
Drive to Survive is aimed at the US market - hence the short attention span editing and focus on personality. That said, I have enjoyed watching it, although the Nico Hülkenberg segment was tough watching, knowing how the German GP played out...
There should have been more of Lando Norris, and why no mention of Antonio Giovinazzi at all? (not that I'm a fan - perhaps he has limited English?)
There should have been more of Lando Norris, and why no mention of Antonio Giovinazzi at all? (not that I'm a fan - perhaps he has limited English?)
As someone who has drifted away from F1 in recent years (diminished interest, a lack of time to watch live etc) I have to say this has really rekindled my interest in the sport.
The highlight has to be the closing comments from Kimi though, he's absolute gold.
The highlight has to be the closing comments from Kimi though, he's absolute gold.
Edited by thetapeworm on Sunday 8th March 21:29
thetapeworm said:
As someone who has drifted away from F1 in recent years (diminished interest, a lack of time to watch live etc) I have to say this has rally rekindled my interest in the sport.
The highlight has to be the closing comments from Kimi though, he's absolute gold.
I agree.The highlight has to be the closing comments from Kimi though, he's absolute gold.
F1 bores the titties off me if I’m honest but the behind the scenes look and candid nature has made me want to watch.
Honestly, if Netflix took over F1 coverage I’d be watching the races every week, and qualifying, practice etc. It’d be such a good idea to run the show alongside the racing IMO and would have me hooked.
I’d actually thought of F1 as a total parade and BS TV event really.
I found the 2nd series much more captivating than the first series.
Fundoreen said:
Exaggerated sounds and foul language season 2. Anyone that is an actual fan of F1 and follows the news will know pretty much everything already about last season.
This show is for people that find F1 boring in its full form and needs bite size edited footage and manufactured drama.
Couldn’t be more wrong IMO. It’s the opposite, it’d make me want to watch F1 races as I can see what goes on behind the scenes and appreciate the crap the young drivers go through more. I currently don’t watch F1 but watching the Netflix show makes me realise it’s not a made up parade for TV (which is how it comes across watching it on ch4 these days)This show is for people that find F1 boring in its full form and needs bite size edited footage and manufactured drama.
People I see as the F1 TV audience these days are people like my parents watching it because it’s all a watered down TV show as part of their Sunday routine now they’re retired.
I don’t know anyone my age or younger who I work with or I’m friends with that’s an F1 fan. And plenty of people I know are into cars and will go watch rallycross etc but they all think F1 is contrived BS.
The rule change around budgets and a Netflix series behind the scenes would probably get me into watching it quite nicely.
I agree, it can only bring fresh interest to the sport and is in line with liberty’s aims when they bought the f1 rights.
I don’t get football so don’t watch it and don’t understand the constant media/tabloid attention. A football loving mate described it as soap opera for guys. It generates interest, loyalty, fandom and therefore revenue to keep the wheels from falling off.
I disliked some of the program, liked other bits. I do hope as this level of access becomes normalized that more of what goes on behind the scenes and in the garage is revealed. I’ve been lucky enough to have that level of access In the past couple of years and as an engineer, racer and f1 fan I find it endlessly fascinating.
I don’t get football so don’t watch it and don’t understand the constant media/tabloid attention. A football loving mate described it as soap opera for guys. It generates interest, loyalty, fandom and therefore revenue to keep the wheels from falling off.
I disliked some of the program, liked other bits. I do hope as this level of access becomes normalized that more of what goes on behind the scenes and in the garage is revealed. I’ve been lucky enough to have that level of access In the past couple of years and as an engineer, racer and f1 fan I find it endlessly fascinating.
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