Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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TheDeuce said:
It's not Charles I lack confidence in, it's his team.
Although I'd say that sainz, when allowed, has driven on par with Charles this season. It's difficult to tell of course because we'll never know how even the drivers treatment is.
But they appear to be evenly let down by their team, so perhaps it is all fair and equal at Ferrari these days?
Same here. I have no doubt about Charles Although I'd say that sainz, when allowed, has driven on par with Charles this season. It's difficult to tell of course because we'll never know how even the drivers treatment is.
But they appear to be evenly let down by their team, so perhaps it is all fair and equal at Ferrari these days?
KaraK said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Another engine penalty for Max? How so?
He had a new engine at Spa. Ran an old engine at Zandvoort, is his Spa engine fuggered then?
Only just in the door and catching up. Sorry if explained before.
Presumably a tactical one to get an extra ICE in the pool - given a DNF followed by a penalty could represent a chunk of points better to play it safe by taking a penalty at a track where you can be confident of coming back through for decent points and spread the mileage across several engines to keep it low. Max doesn't need to win races at this point or even finish ahead of Leclerc - Charles can win and fastest lap every single race for the rest of the season and all Max needs to do is finish 4th in them all and he still wins the WDC. Taking a 5-place drop at Monza is nothing in those terms, especially with all the penalties other drivers are taking here.He had a new engine at Spa. Ran an old engine at Zandvoort, is his Spa engine fuggered then?
Only just in the door and catching up. Sorry if explained before.
Mr Pointy said:
cgt2 said:
I wonder if Ferrari can reenact Alesi and Berger in 94 when the onboard camera flew off Alesi's car and hit Berger taking him out then Alesi's Ferrari broke down a few laps later
Why was that anything to do with Ferrari's competance or lack of it?cgt2 said:
Mr Pointy said:
Why was that anything to do with Ferrari's competance or lack of it?
1. The camera not being secured to the car properly 2. Alesi's car failing
Who else was responsible? The ghost of Fangio?
Mr Pointy said:
cgt2 said:
Mr Pointy said:
Why was that anything to do with Ferrari's competance or lack of it?
1. The camera not being secured to the car properly 2. Alesi's car failing
Who else was responsible? The ghost of Fangio?
And as pointed out, the other car broke down anyway so...
Or we can say it was somehow entirely not Ferrari's fault - the problem with that is that when they don't suffer poor luck by a third party, they diligently make their own poor luck.
Mr Pointy said:
Do you know who was responsible for fixing the on board camera on to the car?
If it wasn't the team it would certainly be ironic that it's the only such failure I can recall. Happy to be proved wrong if you know for sure it wasn't but my recollection from being in paddocks at the time was that FOM supplied the cameras, the teams fitted them hence why different cars had them in different places. This was later stopped when it was discovered some teams fitted them in a way to gain aerodynamic advantage.BTW I am a diehard tifosi who is thoroughly pissed off at how my team constantly disappoints!
cgt2 said:
If it wasn't the team it would certainly be ironic that it's the only such failure I can recall. Happy to be proved wrong if you know for sure it wasn't but my recollection from being in paddocks at the time was that FOM supplied the cameras, the teams fitted them hence why different cars had them in different places. This was later stopped when it was discovered some teams fitted them in a way to gain aerodynamic advantage.
BTW I am a diehard tifosi who is thoroughly pissed off at how my team constantly disappoints!
Tricky being a rarri' fan.. we're drawn to them because they're pure and passionate about the sport and fun cars in general. But passion alone doesn't seem to get the job done in modern F1 - you need to be a little less Italian about the job to bring titles home these days.BTW I am a diehard tifosi who is thoroughly pissed off at how my team constantly disappoints!
They've had some excellent cars in recent years, one of them even enjoyed no fuel flow limits... They still screw it up one way or another.
I'd far rather see them best RB but it's just not going happen is it? You can count ten Ferrari mistakes (easily) before RB make one.
cgt2 said:
Mr Pointy said:
Do you know who was responsible for fixing the on board camera on to the car?
If it wasn't the team it would certainly be ironic that it's the only such failure I can recall. Happy to be proved wrong if you know for sure it wasn't but my recollection from being in paddocks at the time was that FOM supplied the cameras, the teams fitted them hence why different cars had them in different places. This was later stopped when it was discovered some teams fitted them in a way to gain aerodynamic advantage.BTW I am a diehard tifosi who is thoroughly pissed off at how my team constantly disappoints!
Mr Pointy said:
cgt2 said:
Mr Pointy said:
Do you know who was responsible for fixing the on board camera on to the car?
If it wasn't the team it would certainly be ironic that it's the only such failure I can recall. Happy to be proved wrong if you know for sure it wasn't but my recollection from being in paddocks at the time was that FOM supplied the cameras, the teams fitted them hence why different cars had them in different places. This was later stopped when it was discovered some teams fitted them in a way to gain aerodynamic advantage.BTW I am a diehard tifosi who is thoroughly pissed off at how my team constantly disappoints!
We'll never know the full details and to be fair it could have bee simple bad luck. The problem is that all teams suffer good/bad luck but Ferrari fill the gaps between with in house mistakes.
Jasandjules said:
TheDeuce said:
I've obviously missed something, stuck on a beach in Greece for the week 
Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
Our thoughts are prayers are with you at this difficult time.....Can you link to whatever happened (a link that doesn't give anything away until clicked..)
cgt2 said:
TheDeuce said:
It's not Charles I lack confidence in, it's his team.
Although I'd say that sainz, when allowed, has driven on par with Charles this season. It's difficult to tell of course because we'll never know how even the drivers treatment is.
But they appear to be evenly let down by their team, so perhaps it is all fair and equal at Ferrari these days?
Same here. I have no doubt about Charles Although I'd say that sainz, when allowed, has driven on par with Charles this season. It's difficult to tell of course because we'll never know how even the drivers treatment is.
But they appear to be evenly let down by their team, so perhaps it is all fair and equal at Ferrari these days?
Tsunoda has a three-place penalty, for failing to slow for yellow flags in P1.
Given that he already has a 10-place penalty, for accumulating five reprimands, should he really be allowed to mitigate all of this by taking new engine components and starting at the back?
IMHO sporting penalties for driving should be rolled over to the next event in this circumstance.
Given that he already has a 10-place penalty, for accumulating five reprimands, should he really be allowed to mitigate all of this by taking new engine components and starting at the back?
IMHO sporting penalties for driving should be rolled over to the next event in this circumstance.
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