F1 cancelled this year?
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kambites said:
Deesee said:
Well that’s silverstone double header confirmed.
Assuming, presumably, that they're actually allowed to hold it. kambites said:
Deesee said:
Well that’s silverstone double header confirmed.
Assuming, presumably, that they're actually allowed to hold it. As it happens, the government have already said some positive and optimistic things about the return of commercial sport - which is great. It remains important to work with government and also the media however, so that no one is criticised too heavily for 'allowing' such a gathering.
TheDeuce said:
They're 'allowed' by default. However, it makes sense they would do the courtesy of asking the government for approval, as the reality is they need the government to honour the anticipated exclusions to the quarantine scheme, and not to turn round down the line and actively outrule the event if there is some public animosity towards it.
I don't know why you keep repeating this, because it's not what any of the organisations involved are saying:Silverstone boss Stuart Pringle told Motorsport.com: "I am delighted to confirm that Silverstone and F1 have reached an agreement in principle to host two races behind closed doors this summer.
"However these races will be subject to Government approval, as our priority is the safety of all involved and strict compliance with COVID-19 regulations.
It's not just our government, but the governments of all participants and key suppliers need to allow travel for this. It's not just a British or even European thing, but global. There are key personnel and equipment that need to come from the USA and Japan too.
thegreenhell said:
I don't know why you keep repeating this, because it's not what any of the organisations involved are saying:
Silverstone boss Stuart Pringle told Motorsport.com: "I am delighted to confirm that Silverstone and F1 have reached an agreement in principle to host two races behind closed doors this summer.
"However these races will be subject to Government approval, as our priority is the safety of all involved and strict compliance with COVID-19 regulations.
It's not just our government, but the governments of all participants and key suppliers need to allow travel for this. It's not just a British or even European thing, but global. There are key personnel and equipment that need to come from the USA and Japan too.
They're subjecting themselves to government approval by asking for it - it avoids conflict later on to do so. I have checked in some detail and so far as I can see there isn't any legislation that requires approval. The holding of the GP doesn't break any current legislation providing the requisite adaptions are made to what is normal.Silverstone boss Stuart Pringle told Motorsport.com: "I am delighted to confirm that Silverstone and F1 have reached an agreement in principle to host two races behind closed doors this summer.
"However these races will be subject to Government approval, as our priority is the safety of all involved and strict compliance with COVID-19 regulations.
It's not just our government, but the governments of all participants and key suppliers need to allow travel for this. It's not just a British or even European thing, but global. There are key personnel and equipment that need to come from the USA and Japan too.
They're seeking government approval in spirit, not in letter. There is a difference.
As for overseas governments - I honestly don't know who has which laws in place that may be a stumbling block for teams/suppliers, quite possibly in some circumstances foreign government approval would be technically required to make some things possible.
NB: I'm not claiming to be a messiah about this. It's quite possible there is something that does require formal governmental decision - but I have searched and can't find or think of anything that would apply. There is actually no reason why there should be - they certainly haven't announced anything since this started which would outlaw a closed door event, so long as all those involved were 'at work' in a legal way.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 15th May 16:02
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 15th May 16:03
TheDeuce said:
thegreenhell said:
I don't know why you keep repeating this, because it's not what any of the organisations involved are saying:
Silverstone boss Stuart Pringle told Motorsport.com: "I am delighted to confirm that Silverstone and F1 have reached an agreement in principle to host two races behind closed doors this summer.
"However these races will be subject to Government approval, as our priority is the safety of all involved and strict compliance with COVID-19 regulations.
It's not just our government, but the governments of all participants and key suppliers need to allow travel for this. It's not just a British or even European thing, but global. There are key personnel and equipment that need to come from the USA and Japan too.
They're subjecting themselves to government approval by asking for it - it avoids conflict later on to do so. I have checked in some detail and so far as I can see there isn't any legislation that requires approval. The holding of the GP doesn't break any current legislation providing the requisite adaptions are made to what is normal.Silverstone boss Stuart Pringle told Motorsport.com: "I am delighted to confirm that Silverstone and F1 have reached an agreement in principle to host two races behind closed doors this summer.
"However these races will be subject to Government approval, as our priority is the safety of all involved and strict compliance with COVID-19 regulations.
It's not just our government, but the governments of all participants and key suppliers need to allow travel for this. It's not just a British or even European thing, but global. There are key personnel and equipment that need to come from the USA and Japan too.
They're seeking government approval in spirit, not in letter. There is a difference.
As for overseas governments - I honestly don't know who has which laws in place that may be a stumbling block for teams/suppliers, quite possibly in some circumstances foreign government approval would be technically required to make some things possible.
NB: I'm not claiming to be a messiah about this. It's quite possible there is something that does require formal governmental decision - but I have searched and can't find or think of anything that would apply. There is actually no reason why there should be - they certainly haven't announced anything since this started which would outlaw a closed door event, so long as all those involved were 'at work' in a legal way.
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 15th May 16:02
Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 15th May 16:03
Drumroll said:
You have been saying this for ages and to be honest it is totally irrelevant if F1 actually needs permission, if the UK government say no it will not happen.
Quite right. Which is why it's better to ask, even if not strictly required. Government involvement and exchange of views and preferences can make all the difference to whether these events are possible or not.As for 'been saying it for ages', Yes, but only when someone else has said 'no way - this cannot happen, the government won't allow it'. Which happened a lot during the early days of this debate, and I wanted to have some idea about what was/was not legally possible as that would surely be a major factor in the question of whether or not F1 could run this year - as such, I felt it was relevant to the debate.
As it happens, the UK government have given a couple of friendly nods - which suggests there won't be any blocking provided the first sporting events are a model of discipline, order and effective control over transmission of the virus.
Drumroll said:
You have been saying this for ages and to be honest it is totally irrelevant if F1 actually needs permission, if the UK government say no it will not happen.
It would require the UK government to reintroduce NHS support for sporting events, which was pulled before the further lockdown. Without that the FIA cant meet its obligations for off site hospital support. Same goes for Premier League football.jsf said:
It would require the UK government to reintroduce NHS support for sporting events, which was pulled before the further lockdown. Without that the FIA cant meet its obligations for off site hospital support. Same goes for Premier League football.
True, but the health service is operating way within capacity. If it is a closed door event then the risk of any measurable incremental load on the NHS is close to 0.Both are in dialogue and pushing ahead with cautious optimism, they just aren't negotiating in public.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52665805
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True, but the health service is operating way within capacity. If it is a closed door event then the risk of any measurable incremental load on the NHS is close to 0.
No it isn't. It's working within Corona capacity, hence the lack of use for the Nightingale hospitals. This is only possible because many non-Corona related wards have been closed, operations cancelled, staff re-deployed. Once you allow the planned surgery, cancer treatment, etc etc, they are back up to beyond capacity just like they were pre-Corona.
True, but the health service is operating way within capacity. If it is a closed door event then the risk of any measurable incremental load on the NHS is close to 0.
No it isn't. It's working within Corona capacity, hence the lack of use for the Nightingale hospitals. This is only possible because many non-Corona related wards have been closed, operations cancelled, staff re-deployed. Once you allow the planned surgery, cancer treatment, etc etc, they are back up to beyond capacity just like they were pre-Corona.
LucyP said:
No it isn't. It's working within Corona capacity, hence the lack of use for the Nightingale hospitals. This is only possible because many non-Corona related wards have been closed, operations cancelled, staff re-deployed. Once you allow the planned surgery, cancer treatment, etc etc, they are back up to beyond capacity just like they were pre-Corona.
If the govt were overly concerned they would have said a flat "no" before it got to this stage.LucyP said:
True, but the health service is operating way within capacity. If it is a closed door event then the risk of any measurable incremental load on the NHS is close to 0.
No it isn't. It's working within Corona capacity, hence the lack of use for the Nightingale hospitals. This is only possible because many non-Corona related wards have been closed, operations cancelled, staff re-deployed. Once you allow the planned surgery, cancer treatment, etc etc, they are back up to beyond capacity just like they were pre-Corona.
By that argument you should never allow big sporting events because they put unnecessary strain on the NHS. However you could argue that the tax raised and the social benefit more than makes up for this. There are large parts of the NHS that aren’t being used for the fight against Covid-19 and have plenty of spare capacity. There are only so many medical personnel that you can fit in an ICU and the majority if not al ICUs now have spare capacity as well. If you are really worried about protecting the NHS, I would suggest better to ban smoking, alcohol and sugary foods (which have little if no social benefit, though plenty of tax benefit) before banning sporting events.No it isn't. It's working within Corona capacity, hence the lack of use for the Nightingale hospitals. This is only possible because many non-Corona related wards have been closed, operations cancelled, staff re-deployed. Once you allow the planned surgery, cancer treatment, etc etc, they are back up to beyond capacity just like they were pre-Corona.
jsf said:
The Belgium government has given the OK to Spa with no spectators.
At least at this rate we won't have to listen to the best fans in the world guff post race at each venue.
"Oh man, what can I say, you're the best pine trees and pit facilities in the world"At least at this rate we won't have to listen to the best fans in the world guff post race at each venue.
Would love it if Hamilton gets to end, wins, and sat alone in the middle of the grand stand is Fernando Alonso, on a deckchair, slow handclapping.
kambites said:
vaud said:
If the govt were overly concerned they would have said a flat "no" before it got to this stage.
The government haven't got a clue what the situation will be next week, let alone in 6 weeks' time. This is a path that no person alive today has ever had to walk before. Got to keep walking and adjusting our footing as we do.
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