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Disqualification is not a suitable penalty for the rule being broken, the fine/reprimand was. Seb knew the rules and just chose to ignore them, can't see any problem with that at all.
Anyway, if you like burnouts, maybe you should watch NASCAR - its pretty much mandatory for a race win:
http://youtu.be/Pj8zdgHMtbU
http://youtu.be/tNG6TEMTEe4
http://youtu.be/rVwIW7nY6kw
Even if you fall out doing it:
http://youtu.be/eiDT6_411w0
Can't find a video but they sometimes nose the car in to the wall and keep going until the tyres burst
If you're "Cousin Carl" you'll even follow it up with a back flip
http://youtu.be/VoYbxLIKGsI
On occasion you'll see a driver do a "polish victory lap". This was started in the late 80s by a guy called Alan Kulwicki. Kulwicki was different - he was was a northerner in a stereotypically southern sport, he had an engineering degree and wanted to build his own car and race it. After his first win he turned the car around and lapped the circuit the wrong way, so he could wave at the fans.
Kulwicki got himself in to the upper tier of NASCAR with little or no sponsorship, he turned down millions of dollars from team owners, because he wanted to do it with his own team. The perennial underdog, in 1992 he recouped a 278 point deficit in six races to beat Bill Elliot to the championship.
Sadly in 1993 he lost his life after the plane taking him from a sponsor event to the next race crashed. His legacy of the polish victory lap continues - drivers of the #7 car (Kulwicki's number) repeat the victory lap, sometimes maiden wins are also celebrated.
Anyway, if you like burnouts, maybe you should watch NASCAR - its pretty much mandatory for a race win:
http://youtu.be/Pj8zdgHMtbU
http://youtu.be/tNG6TEMTEe4
http://youtu.be/rVwIW7nY6kw
Even if you fall out doing it:
http://youtu.be/eiDT6_411w0
Can't find a video but they sometimes nose the car in to the wall and keep going until the tyres burst
If you're "Cousin Carl" you'll even follow it up with a back flip
http://youtu.be/VoYbxLIKGsI
On occasion you'll see a driver do a "polish victory lap". This was started in the late 80s by a guy called Alan Kulwicki. Kulwicki was different - he was was a northerner in a stereotypically southern sport, he had an engineering degree and wanted to build his own car and race it. After his first win he turned the car around and lapped the circuit the wrong way, so he could wave at the fans.
Kulwicki got himself in to the upper tier of NASCAR with little or no sponsorship, he turned down millions of dollars from team owners, because he wanted to do it with his own team. The perennial underdog, in 1992 he recouped a 278 point deficit in six races to beat Bill Elliot to the championship.
Sadly in 1993 he lost his life after the plane taking him from a sponsor event to the next race crashed. His legacy of the polish victory lap continues - drivers of the #7 car (Kulwicki's number) repeat the victory lap, sometimes maiden wins are also celebrated.
Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 2nd November 16:48
PW said:
He should have been disqualified.
I don't think celebrating after the race is a bad thing, or should be against the rules.
The problem I have is that it WAS against the rules, but the FIA once again applied it's "make it up as you go along" attitude to the rules because it didn't want to cause a stir.
It was a complete breach of Parc Ferme regulations that, had any other driver done it at any other race, SHOULD have been severely punished. (So long as they aren't race winners/ championship contenders, etc)
The FIA seemingly plays favourites with F1 and every week the rules and sanctions are different to the last, and seems to hinge on who you are and who you driver for. Instead of setting the example to all other drivers in other categories that the rules must be followed and the stewards respected at all times, it shows the world that as long as you are popular enough to carry public support or are otherwise "in the club" you can do whatever you like with impunity.
Also it would have been HILARIOUS to see everyone struggling to comprehend that he'd had the points taken away and wasn't champion in the middle of the post-race scrum.
what did he do wrong then? which rule did he break?I don't think celebrating after the race is a bad thing, or should be against the rules.
The problem I have is that it WAS against the rules, but the FIA once again applied it's "make it up as you go along" attitude to the rules because it didn't want to cause a stir.
It was a complete breach of Parc Ferme regulations that, had any other driver done it at any other race, SHOULD have been severely punished. (So long as they aren't race winners/ championship contenders, etc)
The FIA seemingly plays favourites with F1 and every week the rules and sanctions are different to the last, and seems to hinge on who you are and who you driver for. Instead of setting the example to all other drivers in other categories that the rules must be followed and the stewards respected at all times, it shows the world that as long as you are popular enough to carry public support or are otherwise "in the club" you can do whatever you like with impunity.
Also it would have been HILARIOUS to see everyone struggling to comprehend that he'd had the points taken away and wasn't champion in the middle of the post-race scrum.
Regulation 43.3 of the sporting regulations
The FIA said:
43.5 After receiving the end-of-race signal all cars must proceed on the circuit directly to the post
race parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2013-F1-SPORTING-REGULATIONS-111212.pdfrace parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
Crafty_ said:
I would have argued that it was a very necessary delay. I would also point out that as I had just cracked my 4th WDC the Stewards were not in a position to judge whether or not it was necessary or not and maybe they ought to tuck into the champers that was on offer at the RB hospitality.Crafty_ said:
Regulation 43.3 of the sporting regulations
exactly, so nothing to do with doughnuts. Had he have then driven back, no fine.The FIA said:
43.5 After receiving the end-of-race signal all cars must proceed on the circuit directly to the post
race parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2013-F1-SPORTING-REGULATIONS-111212.pdfrace parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
Efbe said:
Crafty_ said:
Regulation 43.3 of the sporting regulations
exactly, so nothing to do with doughnuts. Had he have then driven back, no fine.The FIA said:
43.5 After receiving the end-of-race signal all cars must proceed on the circuit directly to the post
race parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2013-F1-SPORTING-REGULATIONS-111212.pdfrace parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
007 VXR said:
Efbe said:
Crafty_ said:
Regulation 43.3 of the sporting regulations
exactly, so nothing to do with doughnuts. Had he have then driven back, no fine.The FIA said:
43.5 After receiving the end-of-race signal all cars must proceed on the circuit directly to the post
race parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/2013-F1-SPORTING-REGULATIONS-111212.pdfrace parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be
placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé.
Speaking of which, I always prefer to watch the BBC version if I can, it's quite funny when having a chat about the latest race with colleagues who have watched it on sky; they never seem to have the full story, miss out on some of the really pertinent information for the race and generally just miss what has gone on a bit. Not saying the Beeb is perfect, but so much better than sky's effort!
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