RE: No predictability in 2014 F1
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Root Ginger said:
LordPetroleum said:
LOL, depress left foot on clutch pedal, engage brain prior to popping mouth/typing fingers in to gear me thinks 
But F1 cars don't have clutch pedals, just a hand clutch Anyways, reckon the targeted poster couldn't handle a hand operated clutch due to probably having his wang in his hand.article said:
You can hear these fascinating new engines in action here from Mercedes and here from Renault. Cue loads of debate whether that breathy sound can ever match a naturally aspirated V8 or V10
I don't even think us argumentative pricks at PH can debate this one. The new units sound s
t compared to the glordy days of V8s and V10s pushing towards 20,000rpm.There's no getting away from the 2 silencers (turbos) in the exhaust and the 15,000rpm rev limit.
phil1979 said:
If they are going the turbo route, couldn't Red Bull's competitors simply get a remap from someone like Angel Tuning, to get an edge? The FIA wouldn't be able to test for it (a dealer can't tell that my car's been remapped), plus it would only be about £150. Also, the tuner can come to the premises, so no need to transport the car to them.
Even if this was possible (unlikely given that all teams have to use a standard ECU onto which they write their own maps) it would be pointless as any performance gain would almost certainly come at the expense of economy, eating into the 100kg 'race fuel' limit.The biggest gains for next year are in the energy recovery and storage systems which, historically, have been Red Bulls achilles heel owing to the cooling required.
Will be interesting to see if they still occur after Webber departs though.
Here is one of the best previews as to how they will sound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcmKJ5MhDh8
Not quite what we have today, but sound good enough.
For reference, that 1988 car has a 1.5 Honda V6 Twin-Turbo limited to 2.5bar, producing 675BHP - 2014 engines will produce around 600BHP from their single turbo units and with single exhaust outlet they will sound a bit higher pitched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcmKJ5MhDh8
Not quite what we have today, but sound good enough.
For reference, that 1988 car has a 1.5 Honda V6 Twin-Turbo limited to 2.5bar, producing 675BHP - 2014 engines will produce around 600BHP from their single turbo units and with single exhaust outlet they will sound a bit higher pitched.
Edited by GroundEffect on Monday 4th November 14:48
jon- said:
I don't even think us argumentative pricks at PH can debate this one. The new units sound st compared to the glordy days of V8s and V10s pushing towards 20,000rpm.
There's no getting away from the 2 silencers (turbos) in the exhaust and the 15,000rpm rev limit.
As someone who's stood next to a mid-80's F1 Turbo unit just on tickover, I can safely say that the proof will be in the track-side experience. If the new (single turbo btw) units are even half as good as the older ones, they'll still sound awesome. And loud-as-f t compared to the glordy days of V8s and V10s pushing towards 20,000rpm.There's no getting away from the 2 silencers (turbos) in the exhaust and the 15,000rpm rev limit.
jon- said:
article said:
You can hear these fascinating new engines in action here from Mercedes and here from Renault. Cue loads of debate whether that breathy sound can ever match a naturally aspirated V8 or V10
I don't even think us argumentative pricks at PH can debate this one. The new units sound st compared to the glordy days of V8s and V10s pushing towards 20,000rpm.There's no getting away from the 2 silencers (turbos) in the exhaust and the 15,000rpm rev limit.
F1, a complete wreck of competitive racing from about 2010 onwards towards super mini status, just like the killing of Rallying and Tin Tops.
This is exactly why historic racing and events pulls in the crowds now - nose, spectacle, style and skill of the drivers, F1 may as well all be on a play station game thing, oh it seems it is already there.
Congratulations to Vettel/Red Bull, boring as you are no one can doubt the combined excellence.
Ozzie Osmond said:
STiG911 said:
As someone who's stood next to a mid-80's F1 Turbo unit just on tickover, I can safely say that the proof will be in the track-side experience.
If it's a anything like the muted sound of low-revving Audi diesel turbos at Le mans it ain't going to be much!And here was me thinking 'F1 cant get any more dull'
It doesn't matter how many gimmicks you throw at F1, it gets less exciting; and every time you introduce something like KERS, it becomes more difficult for a casual spectator to understand; F1 needs new fans, this won't help IMHO.
Simple formulae breeds exciting racing, what it needs is an open specification, for example if you have to fit the whole car within a cubic volume, and a maximum tyre track width and maximum weight limit.
Then no other restrictions; now that would be fun!!!
For me F1 racing died a long time ago
It doesn't matter how many gimmicks you throw at F1, it gets less exciting; and every time you introduce something like KERS, it becomes more difficult for a casual spectator to understand; F1 needs new fans, this won't help IMHO.
Simple formulae breeds exciting racing, what it needs is an open specification, for example if you have to fit the whole car within a cubic volume, and a maximum tyre track width and maximum weight limit.
Then no other restrictions; now that would be fun!!!
For me F1 racing died a long time ago
Superchargers...
More new regs, more expense = less teams.
Still, I heard Ferrari world was absolutely slammed after the GP and that corporate bookings are well up. I wonder why there is no TV audience left...hmmm, no matter, we'll mention turbos, everyone likes turbos right?
Meanwhile everyone has left, fed up with the boring predictability of the racing and the diminishing spectacle. Never thought i'd say it but F1 needs to look at the US for how to run a race series.
Fans first. Everything else follows.
Still, I heard Ferrari world was absolutely slammed after the GP and that corporate bookings are well up. I wonder why there is no TV audience left...hmmm, no matter, we'll mention turbos, everyone likes turbos right?
Meanwhile everyone has left, fed up with the boring predictability of the racing and the diminishing spectacle. Never thought i'd say it but F1 needs to look at the US for how to run a race series.
Fans first. Everything else follows.
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