So how was 2013 for you?
Discussion
ash73 said:
Putting a rookie in the second RBR seat in 2014 is possibly the worst thing that could happen to F1; Vettel needs to be tested.
RB wont see it like that. They just need a good 2nd driver to get the points for the Constructors.Vettel will get all of the priorities and support of the WDC.
Its how Ferrari do it and it works.
Average, it got worse as the year went on. I understand the view that 'F1 has never been a sprint race', but I can't put up with 95% of the laps being driven to a target time to save the rubber. For me that is the killer, and it was a lot worse in 2013.
Made a decision to cancel Sky now. I'll live with highlights and pay for a weekend pass when I think I'm missing a good track that isn't shown live.
Money saved will be spent on going to a BTCC race, a couple of historics and I'll try to do Le Mans again next year.
Made a decision to cancel Sky now. I'll live with highlights and pay for a weekend pass when I think I'm missing a good track that isn't shown live.
Money saved will be spent on going to a BTCC race, a couple of historics and I'll try to do Le Mans again next year.
Gaz. said:
God I hope 2014 is better than this.
I cant see how it can possibly be as bad. Its gonna take quite some time for the teams to optimise the new regs. There are many variables and I think we will see many different directions taken.I reckon there will be at least one major team that will get it spectacularly wrong. It could easily be Red Bull.
mollytherocker said:
ash73 said:
Putting a rookie in the second RBR seat in 2014 is possibly the worst thing that could happen to F1; Vettel needs to be tested.
RB wont see it like that. They just need a good 2nd driver to get the points for the Constructors.Vettel will get all of the priorities and support of the WDC.
Its how Ferrari do it and it works.
I think they've droppoed too many points in the CWC over the last few seasons, the car hasn't been good enough to get a haul of points with a 'Tier B' driver.
2013?
Deathly, deathly boring.
Ignoring the obvious predictability and sterile-ness of the last 9 races, how many classic and exciting GP's have we had in 2013? Really?
None.
It's funny how a season like this highlights the bits you hate about the domineering team and make you want to throw things at the TV.
In the 2000s, it was Schumacher's smug grin, Todt's Napoleon-like appearance and Ferrari's general steam-roller like domination.
With Red Bull, we have
> The finger (obviously)
> Helmut Marko's stupid, wonky-eyed face
> Those stupid nerd-like running trainers that all Red Bull personnel (especially Horner) wear.
> Christian Horner
Roll on 2014. Hopefully, it'll be like 2005/2009 and another team can come in and shake it up.
Deathly, deathly boring.
Ignoring the obvious predictability and sterile-ness of the last 9 races, how many classic and exciting GP's have we had in 2013? Really?
None.
It's funny how a season like this highlights the bits you hate about the domineering team and make you want to throw things at the TV.
In the 2000s, it was Schumacher's smug grin, Todt's Napoleon-like appearance and Ferrari's general steam-roller like domination.
With Red Bull, we have
> The finger (obviously)
> Helmut Marko's stupid, wonky-eyed face
> Those stupid nerd-like running trainers that all Red Bull personnel (especially Horner) wear.
> Christian Horner
Roll on 2014. Hopefully, it'll be like 2005/2009 and another team can come in and shake it up.
Gaz. said:
I gave Pirelli the benefit of the doubt in 2011, was unsure in 2012 and in 2013 they ruined the sport.
To be fair, Pirelli have only done what they were asked to do. It's a common misconception that they came up with this tyre degradation unilaterally. To be honest, from a commercial point of view it would suit Pirelli better to have one tyre that lasts the entire race/couple of races.Meanwhile, yep, a boring, boring season. Even back when Ferrari and Shuey were all dominant, we still had refuelling, and less engine reliability. The problem this year as others have said, they are trying to engineer ureliability (tyres) whilst demanding greater reliability from engines and gearboxes, along with push to pass DRS/KERS, it's all too sterile and mangaged.
There is no unpredictability any more. You can almost predict the top ten cars (albeit not necessarily the drivers)and the end result of the race. What happened yesterday was the teams had no data and didn't know what the dry set up should be. And it made for a more interesting (slightly) race. So is the answer to limit Free Practice? Two half hour sessions on Friday, qualifying on Saturday and race Sunday?
Blimey.
I might make myself really unpopular by having enjoyed most races. Even the ones where You Know Who just ran away at the front, there's normally been enough going on elsewhere in the field to keep my brain occupied.
I don't think I've managed to watch a single race live this year (small kids and work putting paid to that), but even when I've had the ability to skip through a race I haven't wanted to - I enjoy predicting how things will pan out over the course of a race.
I dumped Sky this year. The extended BBC highlights have been pretty good, with only a few "Huh? How did he get there??" moments. I subscribed to the excellent GP+ instead, at the grand cost of £30 for the entire year.
I might make myself really unpopular by having enjoyed most races. Even the ones where You Know Who just ran away at the front, there's normally been enough going on elsewhere in the field to keep my brain occupied.
I don't think I've managed to watch a single race live this year (small kids and work putting paid to that), but even when I've had the ability to skip through a race I haven't wanted to - I enjoy predicting how things will pan out over the course of a race.
I dumped Sky this year. The extended BBC highlights have been pretty good, with only a few "Huh? How did he get there??" moments. I subscribed to the excellent GP+ instead, at the grand cost of £30 for the entire year.
Frustrating.
For me all the new regs (by which I mean steadily brought in over the course of the last x years) have diluted the appeal.
Having someone as dominant as Vettel isn't actually as bad as it might be but the reasons for it are a bit galling.
RBR have absolutely nailed the tyres and the most efficient aero package to create as close to perfect a car as you can with the current regs. Again this should be applauded (British engineering and all that) but it leaves most of the other cars with literally no hope - and that is unacceptable for helping to create an enjoyable sport to watch.
Things I miss:
Pit stop refuelling
Multiple tyre manufacturers
1 phase qualifying
The refuelling and tyre regs take out so much of the unknown. I loved the old Michelins going off while the Bridgestones came in wars, I loved cars on 20kg of fuel at the start having to pit after a few laps and the dude with 70kg onboard trying to wrestle the car around.
I hope against all hope that next year gives us more of the unknown and some excitement.
For me all the new regs (by which I mean steadily brought in over the course of the last x years) have diluted the appeal.
Having someone as dominant as Vettel isn't actually as bad as it might be but the reasons for it are a bit galling.
RBR have absolutely nailed the tyres and the most efficient aero package to create as close to perfect a car as you can with the current regs. Again this should be applauded (British engineering and all that) but it leaves most of the other cars with literally no hope - and that is unacceptable for helping to create an enjoyable sport to watch.
Things I miss:
Pit stop refuelling
Multiple tyre manufacturers
1 phase qualifying
The refuelling and tyre regs take out so much of the unknown. I loved the old Michelins going off while the Bridgestones came in wars, I loved cars on 20kg of fuel at the start having to pit after a few laps and the dude with 70kg onboard trying to wrestle the car around.
I hope against all hope that next year gives us more of the unknown and some excitement.
Tyre Smoke said:
Gaz. said:
I gave Pirelli the benefit of the doubt in 2011, was unsure in 2012 and in 2013 they ruined the sport.
To be fair, Pirelli have only done what they were asked to do. It's a common misconception that they came up with this tyre degradation unilaterally. To be honest, from a commercial point of view it would suit Pirelli better to have one tyre that lasts the entire race/couple of races.Meanwhile, yep, a boring, boring season. Even back when Ferrari and Shuey were all dominant, we still had refuelling, and less engine reliability. The problem this year as others have said, they are trying to engineer ureliability (tyres) whilst demanding greater reliability from engines and gearboxes, along with push to pass DRS/KERS, it's all too sterile and mangaged.
There is no unpredictability any more. You can almost predict the top ten cars (albeit not necessarily the drivers)and the end result of the race. What happened yesterday was the teams had no data and didn't know what the dry set up should be. And it made for a more interesting (slightly) race. So is the answer to limit Free Practice? Two half hour sessions on Friday, qualifying on Saturday and race Sunday?
REALIST123 said:
I doubt that there are many suffering that misconception. The truth is that while the FIA is to blame for the general tyre situation, Pirelli have also screwed up first by making tyres that weren't safe and secondly for having inconsistency from tyre to tyre, which has been an issue for some while.
I believe that pirelli did what was asked of them and so in theory are not to blame.Where they have f
ked up is that they should have advised the FIA that the spec they wanted was stupid and should have refused to make them.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff