Red Bull - Honda...?
Discussion
kambites said:
456GT said:
Jenson staying with McLaren shows that he is optimistic about Honda's chances next year.
I think Jenson staying with Mclaren shows that they've offered him quite a lot of money and he knows there no competitive seats available elsewhere. I would be astounded if JB is optimistic about Honda delivering next year - he's been there before with Honda's failure to deliver a decent engine over a much longer period.
aeropilot said:
This.
I would be astounded if JB is optimistic about Honda delivering next year - he's been there before with Honda's failure to deliver a decent engine over a much longer period.
Based on his demeanour after Singapore I doubt it. Think then he thought there was no point in carrying on if that was going to be the regular performance level and has since been convinced there are improvements on the way. I've said before, and still think, that JB is not staying for money but because he wants to compete and has some confidence he will be able to. At his career stage why would he be interested in just making up the numbers at the back of the field?I would be astounded if JB is optimistic about Honda delivering next year - he's been there before with Honda's failure to deliver a decent engine over a much longer period.
stemll said:
Flying Toilet said:
They have had VW shuttles for some time.
Add to this that with VW UK also being in MK I suspect they'd be ferrying their brass around in something nicer than a minibusandyps said:
Based on his demeanour after Singapore I doubt it. Think then he thought there was no point in carrying on if that was going to be the regular performance level and has since been convinced there are improvements on the way. I've said before, and still think, that JB is not staying for money but because he wants to compete and has some confidence he will be able to. At his career stage why would he be interested in just making up the numbers at the back of the field?
He can be in LMP for the next twenty years, but one more season to be involved in the greatest global motorsport, with one last massive pay packet and probably some (anti) performance related bonuses just to bump it up a bit... asjoseph said:
... it's for good reason Red Bull now looks to greener pastures.
Grabbing Ferrari, Honda and Renault by the scruff, dragging them around the barn to flog the snot out of them every other Sunday, not one iota does Daimler-Mercedes benefit. Jean Todt's power-unit era a behemoth failure, as of this writing, F1 is doing no manufacturer any good, whatsoever.
Indicative of the IRL, F1 is now an embarrassment. Neither competition, nor entertainment, nor sport, why stay? Most everyone having lost their enthusiasm for F1 two years ago, Honda and Renault would be wise considering pulling out of F1, altogether.
The guy who created this mess, F1's number 1 problem is, Jean Todt.
Principle damage from Jean Todt's power unit era is centered, squarely upon Britain's cottage industries, which have survived pretty much intact several hundred years, from the hearth of mankind's proto-industrialization. Should F1 collapse, that is 70 thousand high powered money jobs in the UK, poof-gone. Forever. Once gone, those jobs never come back. Once gone, the dominoes start to fall... those jobs support another 250 thousand other jobs.
You can begin to see where this engine thing is going; just how dire the economic consequence is. Cross your fingers Bernie gets this thing back under control. Posthaste - Samuel, AW11 4agze.
That's a bit harsh.Grabbing Ferrari, Honda and Renault by the scruff, dragging them around the barn to flog the snot out of them every other Sunday, not one iota does Daimler-Mercedes benefit. Jean Todt's power-unit era a behemoth failure, as of this writing, F1 is doing no manufacturer any good, whatsoever.
Indicative of the IRL, F1 is now an embarrassment. Neither competition, nor entertainment, nor sport, why stay? Most everyone having lost their enthusiasm for F1 two years ago, Honda and Renault would be wise considering pulling out of F1, altogether.
The guy who created this mess, F1's number 1 problem is, Jean Todt.
Principle damage from Jean Todt's power unit era is centered, squarely upon Britain's cottage industries, which have survived pretty much intact several hundred years, from the hearth of mankind's proto-industrialization. Should F1 collapse, that is 70 thousand high powered money jobs in the UK, poof-gone. Forever. Once gone, those jobs never come back. Once gone, the dominoes start to fall... those jobs support another 250 thousand other jobs.
You can begin to see where this engine thing is going; just how dire the economic consequence is. Cross your fingers Bernie gets this thing back under control. Posthaste - Samuel, AW11 4agze.
Edited by asjoseph on Thursday 1st October 19:22
I'm not sure how much authority Todt has over F1. The FIA gets no money directly from it, that was a parting gift from his predecessor. Superlicences bring in a bit but not enough to replace the loss. Todt has no control, no benefit so why should he bother to push the sport? It's nothing to do with the FIA other than the ultimate discipline body. I don't like Todt's apparent disinterest in F1, but I can see his reasons.
The pressure for an engine change predated his tenure. The design of the engine was hardly his. Yet here he is getting all the blame.
If F1 is at risk then the cause of that is not Todt's decision making as he hasn't the power to make decisions.
So who has the authority? Ecclestone definitely. If you don't like the current state of F1, then it is his creation. There are the 'grandee' teams as well. They make or block decisions for their own benefit. Both Ecclestone's control of the sport and the power of certain teams is hardly Todt's fault.
LivewareProblem said:
I went to RedBull for an interview on Tuesday and saw some interesting looking types being dropped off and picked up by VW shuttles...
I was there nearly 3 weeks ago for an interview just before the whole VW taking over went mad... I got the job but got told Friday my jobs on hold until further notice which was very annoying as I've now got to wait until my jobs "released".Good luck with yours.!!
Steve
Derek Smith said:
That's a bit harsh.
I'm not sure how much authority Todt has over F1. The FIA gets no money directly from it, that was a parting gift from his predecessor.
Do they not? No money at all from F1 apart from the Super licence? So all those people in FIA uniforms at events, the medical teams, the marshalling system, race control... Who pays for that?I'm not sure how much authority Todt has over F1. The FIA gets no money directly from it, that was a parting gift from his predecessor.
davidd said:
Derek Smith said:
That's a bit harsh.
I'm not sure how much authority Todt has over F1. The FIA gets no money directly from it, that was a parting gift from his predecessor.
Do they not? No money at all from F1 apart from the Super licence? So all those people in FIA uniforms at events, the medical teams, the marshalling system, race control... Who pays for that?I'm not sure how much authority Todt has over F1. The FIA gets no money directly from it, that was a parting gift from his predecessor.
At the time of Mosley there was direct payment from CVC and its predecessors to the FIA. It was the biggest single bit of income the FIA received. Something like a third I remember reading, but could be wrong. For some reason, this was stopped. No idea why. I can't even speculate.
Of the other money the FIA receives, some is, in practice, tied to function. Motor sport is not really its main role of course.
If the people at races are employees of the FIA or whether they are authorised by them is immaterial. I can't see such roles being lucrative and certainly it is not direct.
Derek Smith said:
Sorry. Meant to say directly from F1.
At the time of Mosley there was direct payment from CVC and its predecessors to the FIA. It was the biggest single bit of income the FIA received. Something like a third I remember reading, but could be wrong. For some reason, this was stopped. No idea why. I can't even speculate.
Of the other money the FIA receives, some is, in practice, tied to function. Motor sport is not really its main role of course.
If the people at races are employees of the FIA or whether they are authorised by them is immaterial. I can't see such roles being lucrative and certainly it is not direct.
What about the Entry fee? At the time of Mosley there was direct payment from CVC and its predecessors to the FIA. It was the biggest single bit of income the FIA received. Something like a third I remember reading, but could be wrong. For some reason, this was stopped. No idea why. I can't even speculate.
Of the other money the FIA receives, some is, in practice, tied to function. Motor sport is not really its main role of course.
If the people at races are employees of the FIA or whether they are authorised by them is immaterial. I can't see such roles being lucrative and certainly it is not direct.
HollywoodStig said:
If it's true and Ferrari refuse to supply Red Bull would the FIA under duress from Bernie grant Honda (a lot of) freedom to bring their package up to speed?
Toro Rosso - Ferrari
Red Bull - Honda
McLaren have an exclusive 'works' deal with Honda, so Red Bull would still get second-string engines (which they don't want)Toro Rosso - Ferrari
Red Bull - Honda
Have to say; whilst I have sympathy for the majority workforce in MK and Faenza, I have zero sympathy for the fools who got them in to this situation in the first place by whining like spoilt children - i.e Horner and Marko....
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