Qualifying 2016 style (could be fun ? ? )
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designndrive62 said:
I thought I read somewhere that all drivers have to be out on track for the duration of the session until they are eliminated? Might be wrong though.
You are right, my mistake!That will definitely increase the excitement, but as others have mentioned, certain drivers will record a fast time and then cruise to save tires and engines.
The idea isn't finalized yet so it could be adapted.
London424 said:
hornetrider said:
R1 Indy said:
Would tyres not be the limiting factor in this? As they wont be able to do 16 mins flat out?
Unless they do 1 or 2 flying laps, then cruise the rest to comply, making this rule pointless?...
Indeed. Ham could go out on track, smash a lap, then he has to dodder around getting in people's way for the next 15 minutes. Unless they do 1 or 2 flying laps, then cruise the rest to comply, making this rule pointless?...
What a joke.
Article in the OP said:
Qualifying will remain as a one-hour session, split into three segments, but drivers must be on track throughout each part until they get knocked out.
They'll no doubt have to contrive some b
ks about having to remain within 107% of your fastest time. No fking idea how that will work though.patmahe said:
If it begins to rain during qualifying it could get interesting..
Think we were saying that when the new qualifying rules were introduced - little mistakes could cost a driver dear, rain could really mix up the grid, etc. etc. I guess after a few races this new format will settle down with the quick ones at the front and the slow ones at the back with not much really changing in the middle.Surely the top teams won't be able to blitz a laptime from the off due to needing te be fuelled for the whole 16 mins? Although I guess a fuel burns off, tyres will wear out equalising performance?
If they try and blitz it from the start and take too much out of the tyres, then come the end of the session they might not have the tyres to go quicker...
If they try and blitz it from the start and take too much out of the tyres, then come the end of the session they might not have the tyres to go quicker...
hornetrider said:
London424 said:
hornetrider said:
R1 Indy said:
Would tyres not be the limiting factor in this? As they wont be able to do 16 mins flat out?
Unless they do 1 or 2 flying laps, then cruise the rest to comply, making this rule pointless?...
Indeed. Ham could go out on track, smash a lap, then he has to dodder around getting in people's way for the next 15 minutes. Unless they do 1 or 2 flying laps, then cruise the rest to comply, making this rule pointless?...
What a joke.
Article in the OP said:
Qualifying will remain as a one-hour session, split into three segments, but drivers must be on track throughout each part until they get knocked out.
They'll no doubt have to contrive some bks about having to remain within 107% of your fastest time. No fking idea how that will work though.Would you be picking the same compounds knowing you need to run around the track for the entire qualifying session?!
Can't help thinking the law of unintended consequences is going to get a good work out as a result of this.
The front runners I suspect will pootle about initially on some knackered old tires, then just before eliminations start they'll pit, whack on a new set of tyres and set a time before reverting back to pootling. It's a bit more tricky if you are on the cusp but for ultimate lap time I suspect your best bet us something similar.
The front runners I suspect will pootle about initially on some knackered old tires, then just before eliminations start they'll pit, whack on a new set of tyres and set a time before reverting back to pootling. It's a bit more tricky if you are on the cusp but for ultimate lap time I suspect your best bet us something similar.
realjv said:
Can't help thinking the law of unintended consequences is going to get a good work out as a result of this.
Yep, there's so much to think about. Will they even be allowed to pit? If they do, they'll need to set a maximum time at standstill to stop piss takers. And what if there's some kind of mistake in the pit or someone needs a new nosecone, or even any other minor fix that would take, say, a minute? DQ? Fuel levels will also be all over the place as they won't know how much full speed running they'll need.Sounds like a clusterf
k to me.All you need is a backmarker to go straight onto the softer compound and it puts pressure on everyone above. As they only have 90 seconds they can`t sit and wait.
With the previous system, someone putting the softer compound on in the first qualifying often caused a few upsets. The only thing I don`t understand is how they expect the tyres to last at Qualifying pace for the session. Managing the tyres to be just quick enough to get through will be important. Qualifying used to be pretty much exempt from that, they could go flat out on a low fuel run, now they`ve added tyre management to Qualy too. Wonderful.....
I actually thought qualifying worked well, I didn`t think it really needed `tweaking`, but lets see how this goes.
With the previous system, someone putting the softer compound on in the first qualifying often caused a few upsets. The only thing I don`t understand is how they expect the tyres to last at Qualifying pace for the session. Managing the tyres to be just quick enough to get through will be important. Qualifying used to be pretty much exempt from that, they could go flat out on a low fuel run, now they`ve added tyre management to Qualy too. Wonderful.....
I actually thought qualifying worked well, I didn`t think it really needed `tweaking`, but lets see how this goes.
Mr_Yogi said:
Mix up quali to make the races more intersting? It might work for the first few races?
this makes qualifying pointless, might as well have a lottery, as for the races they will start off from a comedic grid therefore wont be a real race, especially if the drivers cant run flat out They may as well just have a 30 minute sprint race to determine qualifying. Start in reverse order of the last GP finish, race for 30 mins with no pit stops and the finishing order dertermines the grid.
It would offer just as much potential to mix things up (if that really needs to happen), but at least it's plain and obvious what's going on, drivers will have to overtake and with the faster cars at the back that should be possible.
The only problem I can see, is that it might be much more interesting than the other race on the Sunday...
It would offer just as much potential to mix things up (if that really needs to happen), but at least it's plain and obvious what's going on, drivers will have to overtake and with the faster cars at the back that should be possible.
The only problem I can see, is that it might be much more interesting than the other race on the Sunday...
groomi said:
They may as well just have a 30 minute sprint race to determine qualifying. Start in reverse order of the last GP finish, race for 30 mins with no pit stops and the finishing order dertermines the grid.
It would offer just as much potential to mix things up (if that really needs to happen), but at least it's plain and obvious what's going on, drivers will have to overtake and with the faster cars at the back that should be possible.
The only problem I can see, is that it might be much more interesting than the other race on the Sunday...
I believe that was Ron's proposal. It didn't happen - probably the reason you suggest.It would offer just as much potential to mix things up (if that really needs to happen), but at least it's plain and obvious what's going on, drivers will have to overtake and with the faster cars at the back that should be possible.
The only problem I can see, is that it might be much more interesting than the other race on the Sunday...
They interviewed Par Symmonds about this on Sky F1 last night, he didn't say as much, but I got the impression he doesn't think it will happen.
He said if they had known about this before selecting tyres for the open rounds, the tyre selection would be different. He also said there is a lot of software, systems and procedures to be written in next four weeks to make it work.
He said if they had known about this before selecting tyres for the open rounds, the tyre selection would be different. He also said there is a lot of software, systems and procedures to be written in next four weeks to make it work.
craigsup said:
designndrive62 said:
I thought I read somewhere that all drivers have to be out on track for the duration of the session until they are eliminated? Might be wrong though.
You are right, my mistake!That will definitely increase the excitement, but as others have mentioned, certain drivers will record a fast time and then cruise to save tires and engines.
The idea isn't finalized yet so it could be adapted.
So you will have cars doing 2 or 3 laps but at the end you will only have 2 cars going around unlike now when you have the whole field. Potential for lots of upsets though.
Well, obviously everything's in good hands.............
Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone says the introduction of a new elimination qualifying format will be delayed until the fifth race of the season.
He said the software controlling the new system would not be ready for the start of the season on 18-20 March.
"My guys who do the timing said: 'Mr E, we don't want to be put in the position because we don't think we can get it done properly in time'," he said.
He added the system "wasn't my idea" and he wanted a different approach.
Ecclestone said the new system would go ahead, however.
Governing body the FIA announced on Wednesday that a new qualifying system had been agreed that would feature the slowest car being eliminated every 90 seconds in three knock-out sections of qualifying.
The teams were to spend the next few days making sure there were no unintended consequences before it was formally adopted, but the problems have instead been discovered by Ecclestone's Formula 1 Management company, which handles the timing software.
"It's not quite that easy," Ecclestone, 85, said. "You've got all the graphics to go on the screen.
"If you're going to try and explain it to the public properly, it's not just a case of 'OK, the guy was the last one, bye-bye'. You can't just do that.
"We'll have to deal with it. I've told the FIA this and asked them what they'd like to do with it but the bottom line is there's not a lot they can do with it because we do all the timekeeping. So, that's it."
What was Ecclestone's preferred idea?
The idea behind the new qualifying format is to introduce an element of uncertainty that could lead to cars qualifying out of position.
But Ecclestone said his original idea had been for a different way of shuffling the order.
"I don't want to touch the current qualifying, which I think is good," he said.
"What I've said was, if the guy that's on pole won the last race, for example, we'd have to come up with some sort of a format to say in the end he starts 10th. And the guy who was third in the last race starts maybe eighth or something like that.
"And then you will find you get a whole mix-up of the grid and some of the guys who don't get as much TV coverage will be up at the front.
"Because you can guarantee the guy who's on pole will still win the race but it ain't going to be like pole man disappears and that's it."
He said the teams were opposed to this idea.
"People at the time that don't want any change at all thought: 'Well, Ecclestone's going to push through something so we might as well agree with that rather than have something that is a bit more drastic'," he said.
"Because it could happen that the guy on pole doesn't get through the pack.
"Monaco, Hungary - there's lots of places where you wouldn't want to put your money on the guy coming through the field."
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