How petty can the BBC get?

[Mark-C]

hairyben said:

swisstoni said:

IIRC The flipping 2012 Olympics (you remember, the one on our doorstep) hardly happened at all in Sky land. So I wouldn't get all wound up about a very brief sports headlines on the Beeb.

Thats apart from the forty-fking-eight channels of coverage they distributed on their platform? How many were you hoping for?

F1's always been a filthy toff sport many of the comrades at the beeb would happily see vanquished.

Seriously? Do you actually believe that?

They don’t show the races because they can’t afford to but between the website and radio coverage they still seem to put in a lot of effort/spend for F1 fans.

Mind you their Polo coverage is ste ... bloody communists

Edited by Mark-C on Saturday 9th April 21:04

[colonel c]

Mark-C said:

Seriously? Do you actually believe that?

They don’t show the races because they can’t afford to but between the website and radio coverage they still seem to put in a lot of effort/spend for F1 fans.

Mind you their Polo coverage is ste ... bloody communists

Never mind. 'The first Champions League of Darts will be broadcast live across the BBC in what is being billed as an "exciting new era" for the sport.'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/35532372

[swisstoni]

colonel c said:

Mark-C said:

Seriously? Do you actually believe that?

They don’t show the races because they can’t afford to but between the website and radio coverage they still seem to put in a lot of effort/spend for F1 fans.

Mind you their Polo coverage is ste ... bloody communists

Never mind. 'The first Champions League of Darts will be broadcast live across the BBC in what is being billed as an "exciting new era" for the sport.'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/35532372

And?

[l354uge]

Were lucky to get one line for F1, the only time I've seen another Motorsport mentioned on there since McRae died was when Dan Wheldon and Justin Wlison died.

[Eric Mc]

swisstoni said:

And?

Exactly.

When the Beeb "adopts" a sport there is a chance it will become a mass audience event. Once they lose it to "narrow casters", like Sky, the sport's governing body may get more dosh, but they have to accept a much smaller audience.

[hairyben]

Mark-C said:

Seriously? Do you actually believe that?

The word in my post many are missing (or choosing not to see) is "many". The bbc is far from a single minded/purposed entity.

[Eric Mc]

How many?
Who are they?
Do such people exist in other media outlets?
So what?

BBC doesn't show lots of sports it once did - and did very well. F1 has just joined a long list of such sports.

BBC would continue to show F1 if they felt it was pitched at a reasonable cost. It isn't - and it's increasingly looking like a really bad value investment for most TV media. F1 is peddling a deteriorating product at an increasingly exorbitant price.

[12TS]

Eric Mc said:

How many?


BBC would continue to show F1 if they felt it was pitched at a reasonable cost. It isn't - and it's increasingly looking like a really bad value investment for most TV media. F1 is peddling a deteriorating product at an increasingly exorbitant price.

I'd agree with this. I used to watch every race and plan a weekend around it, but it's now got to the point where I can't even be bothered to watch it if it's on. There are many reasons for this, but it's mainly the predictability of the whole thing.

I'm glad the BBC ditched it, there are better things that public money can be spent on than financing Bernie's empire.

[hairyben]

Eric Mc said:

How many?
Who are they?
Do such people exist in other media outlets?
So what?

BBC doesn't show lots of sports it once did - and did very well. F1 has just joined a long list of such sports.

BBC would continue to show F1 if they felt it was pitched at a reasonable cost. It isn't - and it's increasingly looking like a really bad value investment for most TV media. F1 is peddling a deteriorating product at an increasingly exorbitant price.

I pointed out there are people within the beeb with other agendas, not in favour of F1, thus any "snubbing" would be hardly surprising. There are some long discussions on the ideologies and intricacies and layers and intra departmental wars of bbc politics... possibly some on this very site, probably in the politics forum. probably best we leave them there.

I have not criticised the F1 shows made by the beeb, nor the commitment of the teams who made the shows, nor on this thread the decision to show it or not - in fact DC/MB commentary was an absolute high point for what it was IMO.

[Eric Mc]

But you are intimating that some sort of "anti-F1" lobby group in the BBC influenced their decision to pull out of their F1.

I would argue it was a purely financial one - brought about by political pressure exerted on them initially by Labour (making them spend a fortune setting up in Manchester) and later the Coalition/ Conservatives limiting their ability to raise licence fee income and of course, the rising costs involved in "buying" the rights..

In F1, the ONLY driver now is money. We see that in virtually every decision made at executive level. Having such a simplistic approach to the future of the sport is a sure fire way to destroy it. The disappearance of decent coverage of F1 from ALL mainstream TV in the UK is now fast approaching - so not even ITV or Channel 4 or 5 are wiling to continue to satisfy Bernie's rapacious appetite for "more, more, more".

The BBC just saw the light earlier.

[hairyben]

Eric Mc said:

But you are intimating that some sort of "anti-F1" lobby group in the BBC influenced their decision to pull out of their F1.

No, I didn't. They probably did but you got there by yourself. I was commenting on the OPs news brevity point.

Edit: although looking back at my original comment i can see its broad in nature.

Edited by hairyben on Tuesday 12th April 08:56

[Eric Mc]

Clarity in posting is a good thing.

[Derek Smith]

Eric Mc said:

BBC would continue to show F1 if they felt it was pitched at a reasonable cost. It isn't - and it's increasingly looking like a really bad value investment for most TV media. F1 is peddling a deteriorating product at an increasingly exorbitant price.

I think we'd find that the decision to drop F1 was not met with a lot of support in the BBC. However, something had to go as we are all in this together, we were told.

I bet Channel 4 couldn't believe their luck. I feel quite sorry for them. They won't throw investment at a programme that they will lose in the near future. I wonder if we'll get a thread on Ch 4 being petty when they revert to their old emphasis on other sports.

[Smollet]

Derek Smith said:

I think we'd find that the decision to drop F1 was not met with a lot of support in the BBC. However, something had to go as we are all in this together, we were told.

I bet Channel 4 couldn't believe their luck. I feel quite sorry for them. They won't throw investment at a programme that they will lose in the near future. I wonder if we'll get a thread on Ch 4 being petty when they revert to their old emphasis on other sports.

Ch4 is bit different to the BBC. It's never claimed to be anything more than an alternative channel whereas the BBC has always lauded itself as bring impartial and accurate when reporting the news. My grouse is that they have chosen to ignore reporting the results of an F1 race in their general sports round up. I can understand them not reporting on rallying or endurance racing as they're hardly mainstream sporting events but after the Olympics and football World Cup F1 is the most popular viewed sport worldwide.

[Eric Mc]

I bet it isn't any more.

[Smollet]

Eric Mc said:

I bet it isn't any more.

Well it certainly won't be come 2019

[Eric Mc]

A slippy slope into irrelevance.

[swisstoni]

Sports should be queueing up to be covered by the Beeb. Those that want to charge it through the nose have to be rejected.
More fool them because although they may think they have done a stunning deal with Sky or whoever, these broadcasters have minuscule audiences. And while the bank balance may look rosy for a while, turns out your poxy sport is dying.

[Derek Smith]

Smollet said:

Ch4 is bit different to the BBC. It's never claimed to be anything more than an alternative channel whereas the BBC has always lauded itself as bring impartial and accurate when reporting the news. My grouse is that they have chosen to ignore reporting the results of an F1 race in their general sports round up. I can understand them not reporting on rallying or endurance racing as they're hardly mainstream sporting events but after the Olympics and football World Cup F1 is the most popular viewed sport worldwide.

My impression was that they did report the results, presumably accurately.

The criticism was that they put it after a report on women's cricket. From memory, I believe the BBC have been obliged to carry reports of minority sports in the sense of women playing them and hype them by giving similar coverage to the male version. You might disagree with putting women's football on the level with men's for instance, but the BBC is public service and at the moment seems to be micro-managed by the 'so-called' government.

[swisstoni]

They've just comprehensively made sure I know the result of qualifying (I forgot to avoid all possible sources) so I think we can safely put this thread on the Load of St pile.