The Official 2017 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
I love this race and track and any F1 fan needs to visit this race in their lifetime as the place oozes history and motorsport. Even if some of the races turn into processions.
Watching the drivers on the limit centimetres away from the wall, with the engine sounds echoing off the buildings is a sight to be seen and heard.
I have a feeling this could be the 1st victory for Ferrari at Monaco since 2001. Can't believe they haven't won here for 16 years!
Can't wait!
Watching the drivers on the limit centimetres away from the wall, with the engine sounds echoing off the buildings is a sight to be seen and heard.
I have a feeling this could be the 1st victory for Ferrari at Monaco since 2001. Can't believe they haven't won here for 16 years!
Can't wait!
Gutted to miss the whole weekends activity live, as I'm away with work. Gonna miss the Indy 500 too! 
First race weekend of the season when team/driver choice of tyre come into effect:
I think Red Bull will be up there most certainly. I do not think the long Merc will be that much of a disadvantage as spoken about, and I'm sure the Mercs will be fighting for pole position/race win.
With regards to Merc supplying false/exaggerated data to Pirelli, wouldn't higher pressures make the sidewalls stiffer and therefore provide a more stable aero platform in the corners? Now, who would that benefit more? Someone who was running/planning to run suspension tricks to control roll in the corners?
That's my suspicion, in addition to the tyre warm up story.
First race weekend of the season when team/driver choice of tyre come into effect:
I think Red Bull will be up there most certainly. I do not think the long Merc will be that much of a disadvantage as spoken about, and I'm sure the Mercs will be fighting for pole position/race win.
Crafty_ said:
So then, tyre pressures.. The theory is that Mercedes struggle to get the tyres in to a decent temperature window when pressures are low. Ferrari don't appear to have this problem.
All teams give Pirelli feedback from sims and testing with regards to load placed on the tyres, Pirelli will increase pressures to cope with higher loads.
There is a rumour that Mercedes have been somewhat generous with the load figures they've given to Pirelli.
Pirelli review data from all teams during a weekend and have found that the loads were not as high as expected, hence they drop the pressures on a Saturday afternoon.
The pressure drops on a Saturday definitely have happened this year, but I'm slightly dubious that Pirelli have been misled beforehand - I think they've just been erring on the side of caution. Here's the article: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/pirell...
It was absolutely crazy watching Vettel trying to put the power down in the last corner at Barcelona before the straight in FP2. Pirelli went nuts with the tyres pressures on Fri.All teams give Pirelli feedback from sims and testing with regards to load placed on the tyres, Pirelli will increase pressures to cope with higher loads.
There is a rumour that Mercedes have been somewhat generous with the load figures they've given to Pirelli.
Pirelli review data from all teams during a weekend and have found that the loads were not as high as expected, hence they drop the pressures on a Saturday afternoon.
The pressure drops on a Saturday definitely have happened this year, but I'm slightly dubious that Pirelli have been misled beforehand - I think they've just been erring on the side of caution. Here's the article: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/pirell...
With regards to Merc supplying false/exaggerated data to Pirelli, wouldn't higher pressures make the sidewalls stiffer and therefore provide a more stable aero platform in the corners? Now, who would that benefit more? Someone who was running/planning to run suspension tricks to control roll in the corners?
That's my suspicion, in addition to the tyre warm up story.
I just read that much of the track has been resurfaced, I wonder if the lethal bump after the tunnel has been dealt with?
Does anybody know yet whether we could be getting into lap record territory around Monaco? Yes, I know the cars are big and heavy, but they're also turbocharged, electric motor assisted, downforce-laden and feature the grippiest tyres for yonks.
I wonder how far out of his depth Lance Stroll is going to look. I think I can guess.
Does anybody know yet whether we could be getting into lap record territory around Monaco? Yes, I know the cars are big and heavy, but they're also turbocharged, electric motor assisted, downforce-laden and feature the grippiest tyres for yonks.
I wonder how far out of his depth Lance Stroll is going to look. I think I can guess.
sandman77 said:
Are the drivers/teams required to take/use each of the 3 available tyres? Tyre deg is so low here I don't understand why anyone is taking any of the soft tyres.
Previous rules apply, where you're only required to use one of the two hard compounds in the race, but you must have at least one set of the two harder compounds available for the race. Hence, all drivers except JB having only one set of Softs. I suspect they'll send JB out on the Softs early on in FP1 to get up to speed on the circuit/new cars. This way he wouldn't eat into his allocation of the more valuable tyres for the weekend. I think they could just as easily have ordered an extra super soft, but may be I'm missing something.HustleRussell said:
Does anybody know yet whether we could be getting into lap record territory around Monaco? Yes, I know the cars are big and heavy, but they're also turbocharged, electric motor assisted, downforce-laden and feature the grippiest tyres for yonks.
Doing some back of envelope calcs, I'm going to say pole in the low 1:12s, may be high 11s. Circuit is 33m shorter than the early 2000s, and the lap record from the 3.340km config of Monaco was 1:14.439 by Michael Schumacher (2004), I think it will be difficult to beat that, but race pace should be up there.ash73 said:
I don't understand RBR & Williams selecting only 1 supersoft tyre; they won't be able to do any practice runs on that compound?
My understanding is that the Ultra soft and Super soft are very similar in warm up with slightly worser deg on the ultra, so it would be easy to extrapolate from the ultra soft data for long runs and the like especially as the tarmac is pretty smooth. Since the tyre temp working range is similar, if you can work the ultra, you can be sure the super will work fine on the car.
Have I missed something here, I've read the article about teams supplying Pirelli with false data but why are Pirelli dictating what tyre pressures teams should run, surely it should be up to the teams what pressures they run to suit them, I am aware that because of the recent failures Pirelli increased the pressures to more than the teams wanted and a max camber angle so why now are Pirelli wanting to drop the pressures when teams are giving the false info in the hope they increase them
Doink said:
Have I missed something here, I've read the article about teams supplying Pirelli with false data but why are Pirelli dictating what tyre pressures teams should run, surely it should be up to the teams what pressures they run to suit them, I am aware that because of the recent failures Pirelli increased the pressures to more than the teams wanted and a max camber angle so why now are Pirelli wanting to drop the pressures when teams are giving the false info in the hope they increase them
They started to mandate tyre pressures after teams either ran them excessively high or low and possibly even putting tyres on the wrong way round etc... http://www.f1technical.net/news/21170Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff