How many more Titles will Hamilton Win?

[Bo_apex]

sandman77 said:

I really cant see anybody beating Mercedes during the current engine regs. period. So all Hamilton needs to do is beat his teammate to secure another 3 WDC's. I hope I am wrong and Ferrari and Red Bull catch up but I wouldn't bet on it. Mercs performance and reliability are streets ahead of the rest.

Agree.

Eddie Irvine succinctly clarifies this era, compared to previous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y72zQaQYQI

[BoRED S2upid]

2 or 3 I can see Ferrari pushing them very close next year or the year after then a proposed new engine in 2020 is it? Which could bring Redbull back into things with Max if he’s still there. New contract in the region of 45mill a year I can see him taking that for a few years yet.

[anonymous-user]

Bo_apex said:

Agree.

Eddie Irvine succinctly clarifies this era, compared to previous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y72zQaQYQI

Basically hit the nail on the head.

How many drivers now are able to win with a car that is not in the top 3 teams??

None.

[CaptainRAVE]

LP670 said:

Depends on what Red Bull can provide Verstappen with.

Max is good, but also a little overrated. He hasn't been in contention for a championship, so of course he can muscle the contenders out the way. He will quickly realise that he will get as good as he gets when he is actually in contention.

[ukaskew]

HTP99 said:

however will he start to get bored if he's always ahead?

I think that’s an interesting point. I think it’s changed a little since the records have started piling up, but he’s never seemed particularly interested in an easy win. He’s a racer through and through and I don’t think walk-over championships would interest him a great deal.

I think he’ll ‘retire’ much earlier than many expect as he seems to have a rather large list of things he’d love to do whilst he’s young and fit.

[heebeegeetee]

Evilex said:

Graham Hill- Triple crown of Monaco, Indy 500 & 24h du Mans. But Fred's already after that...

Graham Hill: F1 champion, Monaco winner 5 times, Indy 500 winner, Le Mans winner, and sired a son who went on to become F1 champion. I don't see anyone getting near that.

Fangio: My favourite quote was "he won five world championships with four manufacturers and never fell out with anyone". Best racing driver's name too.

[RobGT81]

ukaskew said:

I think that’s an interesting point. I think it’s changed a little since the records have started piling up, but he’s never seemed particularly interested in an easy win. He’s a racer through and through and I don’t think walk-over championships would interest him a great deal.

I always thought the opposite of Hamilton, he seems to have a meltdown when the pressure is really on. He's obviously fine now that it's relatively easy for him. Even last year he was suggesting sabotage on his side of the garage.

[suffolk009]

heebeegeetee said:

Evilex said:

Graham Hill- Triple crown of Monaco, Indy 500 & 24h du Mans. But Fred's already after that...

Graham Hill: F1 champion, Monaco winner 5 times, Indy 500 winner, Le Mans winner, and sired a son who went on to become F1 champion. I don't see anyone getting near that.

Fangio: My favourite quote was "he won five world championships with four manufacturers and never fell out with anyone". Best racing driver's name too.

I'm fairly sure that Graham Hill is the only world champion to have worked his way up to Formula 1 driver after starting with the firm as a Storeman.

Ross Brawn did almost as well having started at March, then Williams, as a Milling Machine operator.

[sc0tt]

I’ll be honest I hope for 4 more because i’ll be dissapointed when he retires.

[GCH]

He will stop at 8, including a stint at Ferrari.

[37chevy]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Bo_apex said:

Agree.

Eddie Irvine succinctly clarifies this era, compared to previous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y72zQaQYQI

Basically hit the nail on the head.

How many drivers now are able to win with a car that is not in the top 3 teams??

None.

Difference is back when Schumacher was winning....how many were gifted to him by having 2nd class teammates like Eddie, or team orders? His team mates weren’t allowed to win, and often got new parts a race or 2 after Michael. Then look at the rest of the drivers. Very few would even make today’s grid. Through driver development programmes, starting at a younger age, and having a team around you from a young teenager than understand how to make you Win, the science of creating a champion is far more understood now than it ever used to be.

I’d imagine if you strip all that away and put Vettel, alonso, Hamilton into cars fro: the mid 90s, they would be challenging Schumacher....the best still rise to the top

[mcholeboy_59]

Soul Reaver said:

None if you put him in a McClaren, Force India, Renault, RedBull, Sauber etc
3 or 4 if he stays in a Merc

Hmmm... mclaren and redbull? how much you willing to bet? all redbull need to do is get on top of their car from the off (not mid season) and have a few more ponies behind them and they'll be right in the mix. as for mclaren, they have a habit of pulling it out the bag every now and again aswell... if renault really get on top of the engine reliability for next year, and mclaren produce another solid chassis then you could eat your words.

Force india won't get any near winning and renault are still too far away at the moment.

Edited by mcholeboy_59 on Saturday 2nd December 18:14

[Mr Tidy]

I voted for two, just in case Mercedes don't get to grips with the next set of regs.

But in reality I'd love to see him win at least 8 before he stops - if for no other reason than to prove you don't need to put others into the gravel/Armco to win like AS and MS used to do!

[_Leg_]

heebeegeetee said:

Fangio. Best racing driver's name too.

Hmm, dunno, Tazio Nuvolari is a hell of a name. Having read a lot about the era, hell of a driver too. Bunch of lunatics back then. In a good way.

[Sa Calobra]

Ferrari had the faster car this season. It was Vettel who messed it. I think Hamilton has one more. Vettel will win 2018's.

[Voldemort]

Melman Giraffe said:

Will he beat Michael Schumachers 7 titles?

I think he will only beat Schumacher's 7 if he goes on to win the next four championships back-to-back.

The value and ease of winning championships has changed over the years. In 1961 Phil Hill won the title by winning two - yes, just two, GPs out of a total of 8 races. In fact, he won the title with two wins out of seven races as Ferrari couldn't be arsed to go to the last race... In his first season Schumacher had 16 races. This year Lewis won it out of 20 races. And don't get me started on how the points have changed over the years.

But race wins are race wins: you can't argue over the value, or ease, of winning an individual race. And I suspect he may well have his eye on the wins total rather than the titles: Schumacher has 91 wins, Lewis 62.

[Sa Calobra]

Voldemort said:

I think he will only beat Schumacher's 7 if he goes on to win the next four championships back-to-back.

The value and ease of winning championships has changed over the years. In 1961 Phil Hill won the title by winning two - yes, just two, GPs out of a total of 8 races. In fact, he won the title with two wins out of seven races as Ferrari couldn't be arsed to go to the last race... In his first season Schumacher had 16 races. This year Lewis won it out of 20 races. And don't get me started on how the points have changed over the years.

But race wins are race wins: you can't argue over the value, or ease, of winning an individual race. And I suspect he may well have his eye on the wins total rather than the titles: Schumacher has 91 wins, Lewis 62.

Where's that title/points calculator?

Thing is if faced with points changed you'd get the racers upping their pace etc. Let's not forget many a time racers have eased off knowing they only have to finish consistently in the points

[thegreenhell]

Voldemort said:

I think he will only beat Schumacher's 7 if he goes on to win the next four championships back-to-back.

The value and ease of winning championships has changed over the years. In 1961 Phil Hill won the title by winning two - yes, just two, GPs out of a total of 8 races. In fact, he won the title with two wins out of seven races as Ferrari couldn't be arsed to go to the last race... In his first season Schumacher had 16 races. This year Lewis won it out of 20 races. And don't get me started on how the points have changed over the years.

But race wins are race wins: you can't argue over the value, or ease, of winning an individual race. And I suspect he may well have his eye on the wins total rather than the titles: Schumacher has 91 wins, Lewis 62.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns37799.html

interview said:

Hamilton extended his race win tally to 62 late this season, meaning he might have Michael Schumacher's all-time record of 91 wins set as a target.

But the Briton insisted: "It's not a goal.

"It will depend how long I'm racing, but at the moment I do not think I'll be racing long enough to improve that record.

"In my best years I win up to 10 races, which means that I would have to continue for at least another three years with a competitive car," Hamilton said.

[Bo_apex]

37chevy said:

Difference is back when Schumacher was winning....how many were gifted to him by having 2nd class teammates like Eddie

According to Ross Brawn they were all 2nd class teammates by comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6PCeyqheCY

[37chevy]

Bo_apex said:

According to Ross Brawn they were all 2nd class teammates by comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6PCeyqheCY

Don’t get me wrong, he’s one of the best if not THE BEST. But how many competitive teammates did he have? Irvine was no match, and had to move over for Schumacher, as did Barrichello, Schumacher Benetton is now known to have had traction control....see Verstappen at hockenheim incident etc etc

Yes he was one hell of a driver but look at the quality of f1 drivers these days and the gap between good and great is a lot smaller, and other than multi 21 and Räikkönen not being allowed to overtake Vettel at Hungary, you certainly don’t see team orders on the scale that Schumacher was fortunate to benefit from