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I've decided to limit myself to two episodes today, as I don't think watching all ten could be considered as a 'productive' day. Thoroughly enjoying it so far and it's actually refreshing to see the personalities in the teams outwith the top two and interesting to get an insight into the midfield battles and rivalries between teams and drivers. Whether I feel this way after ten episodes and not hearing (much) from Ferrari and Mercedes is up for debate but I have been extremely impressed so far.
F1 looks stunning in 4K too.
F1 looks stunning in 4K too.
Blink982 said:
... Thoroughly enjoying it so far and it's actually refreshing to see the personalities in the teams outwith the top two and interesting to get an insight into the midfield battles and rivalries between teams and drivers.
Yes. In a couple of episodes it shows how carefully the principals and drivers prepare what they will say in press conferences, but ironically, probably because for the filming of this show the cameras are always running, they speak a lot more freely and openly. I never thought I'd be a person that would find a reality TV show I could actually care about!For the sport I also think it's a good thing. There are so many people that find F1 inaccessible, they just don't understand why it's a big deal because they don't see the off track battles each team face or just what goes into the sport. I think in many ways a TV show like this is a softer and easier way for more people to understand the sport than just watching a GP. Liberty said they wanted to bring in new fans by showing different perspectives of the sport, I think this is a very smart way to achieve that goal.
Joey Deacon said:
I work from home and I am desperately trying not to start watching it now as that will be the rest ofthe day gone.
Bit like yesterday afternoon and series two of White Gold.......
Finally something that will make use of my 4K TV!
Same here, i am limiting to one a day at lunchtime.Bit like yesterday afternoon and series two of White Gold.......
Finally something that will make use of my 4K TV!
Vaud said:
l354uge said:
Just compare steiner with Claire, people still wonder why Williams is in the yonder?
Steiner sounds like a bit of a bully/sociopath. Not sure either Steiner nor Claire are great leaders...Deesee said:
TBF, Steiner come across very well on Sky (when the featured boss) and even better on Netflix, the first episode especially..
Steiner just comes across as a strong manager who demands the best from his staff to me, with a dry wit.Cyril though, scares me. I would not like to be locked in a room with him when he's vexed.
l354uge said:
Deesee said:
TBF, Steiner come across very well on Sky (when the featured boss) and even better on Netflix, the first episode especially..
Steiner just comes across as a strong manager who demands the best from his staff to me, with a dry wit.Cyril though, scares me. I would not like to be locked in a room with him when he's vexed.
Mentioned Cyril above ^ not one to be crossed, loving Steiner..
Steiner after a majestic quali, turned into a race sh*t show
“We could have looked like rock stars,” he says. “But now we look like a f
king bunch of wkers. A bunch of fking clowns.”Talking on the phone to Gene Hass hiding behind the tyres whilst the race is going on!
Did comfort the pit crew who did not tighten the wheels..
Good guy to me..
Vaud said:
I challenge that. Great leaders don't crap downwards.
My benchmark in F1 is Ross Brawn as a leader. I can't imagine that he would ever use such language. Firm, measured, but never aggressive?
Sorry, that me, not typed in the right way..My benchmark in F1 is Ross Brawn as a leader. I can't imagine that he would ever use such language. Firm, measured, but never aggressive?
That was not to the team, that was to the owner on a mobile phone (possibly outside, alone, behind the tyres for privacy with a 16/17 hour time difference to the team principle) no team members present & took full responsibility.
You’ve got to watch it to see it.
I think Steiner comes over pretty well. Obviously he's a hard nut and probably can/will snap at people, but that's also important as it stops people letting you down in the first place 99% of the time. But aside from the pressures of the job, as a chap he seems pretty likeable. Claire is also very likeable, actually. But probably not the best fit for the role of principal - a sentiment she appeared to agree with in fact.
It's fascinating to see the less well rehearsed side of these characters. I work in TV often, and a known truth is that if you have a camera on someone for 5 minutes, they'll give you a rehearsed version of themselves. Leave the camera running all day however, and they soon enough accept it, forget it and you start to see the real person. Even the pieces to camera are pretty frank in this show, but then by the time they did those the had already lived with the same film unit in their work life for several weeks per team so that's to be expected.
This approach is far more genuine and revealing than the occasional 30/60 minute documentary's made in the past. I love the fact they followed the action for the entire season and were clearly at each and every running day of the season. Also very thankful (not least as this is an American lead initiative) that they didn't layer over the genuine action and drama with over-hype and exaggerated jeopardy.
It's fascinating to see the less well rehearsed side of these characters. I work in TV often, and a known truth is that if you have a camera on someone for 5 minutes, they'll give you a rehearsed version of themselves. Leave the camera running all day however, and they soon enough accept it, forget it and you start to see the real person. Even the pieces to camera are pretty frank in this show, but then by the time they did those the had already lived with the same film unit in their work life for several weeks per team so that's to be expected.
This approach is far more genuine and revealing than the occasional 30/60 minute documentary's made in the past. I love the fact they followed the action for the entire season and were clearly at each and every running day of the season. Also very thankful (not least as this is an American lead initiative) that they didn't layer over the genuine action and drama with over-hype and exaggerated jeopardy.
Vaud said:
I challenge that. Great leaders don't crap downwards.
My benchmark in F1 is Ross Brawn as a leader. I can't imagine that he would ever use such language. Firm, measured, but never aggressive?
In a high pressure environment with hard deadlines to meet, 'bad' language becomes nothing more than a tool to express that you're REALLY serious when you say what you need to happen and when/how. I hear it and use it myself all the time, it's not offensive, just expressive. Of course most people in past decades were very careful to present themselves on film in a clean and crisp, professional manner. These days, for better or worse, it's more on trend to just be yourself and then demand others deal with it if they don't like it.My benchmark in F1 is Ross Brawn as a leader. I can't imagine that he would ever use such language. Firm, measured, but never aggressive?
Such language was only developed in the first place to provide special words for when the normal range of words are not enough for an extreme situation
I've got to the end! That was a long day..
Excellent series, did everything it set out to do remarkably well. What an awesome way to fill the time ahead of Melbourne!!
For me, episodes 3&4 were the highlights. Also worthy of a nod later on was the sensitive handling of the subject of death and loss in F1, and the phoenix rising from the flames in the form of leclerc.
Very, very good.
Excellent series, did everything it set out to do remarkably well. What an awesome way to fill the time ahead of Melbourne!!
For me, episodes 3&4 were the highlights. Also worthy of a nod later on was the sensitive handling of the subject of death and loss in F1, and the phoenix rising from the flames in the form of leclerc.
Very, very good.
Trying to work, finding it hard to not just watch the series
Very good TV. It demonstrates the degree to which TV coverage hasn't given any reasonable insight. I'm sure some teams' PR people would disagree, but I think this is the best advertisement for building engagement with the public.
Claire Williams so far has come across as somebody who simply doesn't have their finger on the button. She seems to have little or no engagement with those around her, and people seem to be treating her as such.
Frank has often appeared the same. But Frank had Patrick Head, so there was a strong hand on that side and Frank didn't need to do so. So Claire's "apprenticeship" has been watching a team owner who views technical leadership as somebody else's problem. Absent a partner, that will be an employee, but that person can't just be given a free reign.
Zak Brown doesn't come across too well so far either - just too corporate, and some of the same "distance" that you can see around Williams.
I think on reflection both McLaren and Williams are trapped by coming from a place where "garagistas" wanted to become "proper businesses" but by the time they got there "proper businesses" had become lean, focussed operations and not corporates.
Very good TV. It demonstrates the degree to which TV coverage hasn't given any reasonable insight. I'm sure some teams' PR people would disagree, but I think this is the best advertisement for building engagement with the public.
Claire Williams so far has come across as somebody who simply doesn't have their finger on the button. She seems to have little or no engagement with those around her, and people seem to be treating her as such.
Frank has often appeared the same. But Frank had Patrick Head, so there was a strong hand on that side and Frank didn't need to do so. So Claire's "apprenticeship" has been watching a team owner who views technical leadership as somebody else's problem. Absent a partner, that will be an employee, but that person can't just be given a free reign.
Zak Brown doesn't come across too well so far either - just too corporate, and some of the same "distance" that you can see around Williams.
I think on reflection both McLaren and Williams are trapped by coming from a place where "garagistas" wanted to become "proper businesses" but by the time they got there "proper businesses" had become lean, focussed operations and not corporates.
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