History of the current F1 teams
Discussion
The Surveyor said:
Didn't Williams come from Wolf F1, as set up by Walter Wolf?
I thought that at first, but no.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Wolf_Racing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Williams_Racin...
Vaud said:
As an aside...
Apart from Frank Williams, and ignoring Haas, do any of the teams have original staff members from formation of the team?
Neil Trundle has been with McLaren since it became McLaren International.Apart from Frank Williams, and ignoring Haas, do any of the teams have original staff members from formation of the team?
McLaren as we know it now isn't the original McLaren created by Bruce. Post Bruce's death Teddy Mayer carried on the team, their fortunes started to wain so Marlboro brokered a deal between McLaren and Project Four, owned by Ron Dennis, to merge and become McLaren International. Hence the MP4-# chassis number system starting with the first carbon MP4-1. The old McLaren chassis were numbered M#, for example Hunts M23.
They worked together for a while until Teddy threw the towel in, Ron then became top man.
Eric Mc said:
The ownership/corporate histories of most F1 teams can be quite complicated and convoluted
Indeed they can. I have a purchase order somewhere from something like 'Jordan Logistics' - a company Jordan F1 set up - form what I could see - for no other purpose than to run its fleet of service vans (not trucks). Have no idea why.A friend used to be a truckie for Mercedes F1...but was in fact employed by Eddie Stobart who ran them on behalf of Mercedes.
And I think I'm right in saying that the companies that ran long forgotten teams still exist as corporate concerns. BRM springs to mind, And doesn't Clive Chapman still own the original IP for the original 'Lotus F1' team ?
StevieBee said:
Well, they did. Carl Hass invested (with others) in the formation of team. They formed a strategic partnership with Ferrari but are an entirely separate corporate entity that did not exist before they were formed. For scratch.
Carl Haas didn't invest in Haas, Gene Haas did though.Carl Haas had his own teams in the past, he did a joint venture with Ford called Beatrice, which had a very young Ross Brawn in the team.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 15th August 16:49
Vaud said:
The Surveyor said:
Didn't Williams come from Wolf F1, as set up by Walter Wolf?
I thought that at first, but no.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Wolf_Racing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Williams_Racin...
Those early years of GP cars were fascinating, a really colourful time with very colourful characters. I read the Piers Courage bio a year or so ago which includes quite a bit about the young Frank Williams, it's a good read.
jsf said:
Carl Haas didn't invest in Haas, Gene Haas did though.
Carl Haas had his own teams in the past, he did a joint venture with Ford called Beatrice, which had a very young Ross Brawn in the team.
Yep - getting my Hasss mixed up. I Hass to try harder!Carl Haas had his own teams in the past, he did a joint venture with Ford called Beatrice, which had a very young Ross Brawn in the team.
Edited by jsf on Thursday 15th August 16:49
Eric Mc said:
Altrhough Ken Tyrell didn't produce his own F1 car until 1970, he was entering grand prix cars under the Team Tyrell name from 1968 usually using Matra cars. Jackie Stewart was World Champion in 1969 driving a Tyrell team Matra.
Tyrrell.They used March 701's at the start of the 1970 season, i restored Jackie's car a few years ago, it had a lot of small detail changes compared to the other 701's. Zac Brown now owns the car.
jsf said:
Tyrrell.
They used March 701's at the start of the 1970 season, i restored Jackie's car a few years ago, it had a lot of small detail changes compared to the other 701's. Zac Brown now owns the car.
Yes - and Jackie even managed to win in one - and he was quite ill himself at the time too (stomach ulcers).They used March 701's at the start of the 1970 season, i restored Jackie's car a few years ago, it had a lot of small detail changes compared to the other 701's. Zac Brown now owns the car.
But the team itself predates 1970.
Supersam83 said:
Quite interesting to see that Haas joins Ferrari, McLaren and Williams as the only teams who haven't bought out another team and started from scratch.
Haas get away with it because they're a team but aren't a constructer in the truest sense. They do some original design work but have access to Ferrari aero R&D, manufacturing is done by Dallara and Haas assembles the car together.
Lentilist said:
I can recall Onyx being quite handy every now and again, before it all went pear shaped. Nice looking cars as well.
And their owner sounded a bit Rich Energy:Trouble flared up once again with Van Rossem and his flamboyancy as he had been quoted in the press as saying he was attempting to attract top drivers to the team and was in the process of investing US$40 million into Porsche's F1 engine project while, in reality and behind closed doors, Van Rossem was beginning to bemoan the cost of running a Formula One team and was even rumoured to be reluctant to pay the team's bills. Van Rossem went one step further by saying on Belgian TV that he would quit F1 if the Porsche engine deal fell through. Many saw this as an admission that he was tired of the sport and sought a reason to get out.
Van Rossem's spectacularly destructive and erratic antics went on: he also made some controversial comments in a Belgian newspaper during the Belgian GP weekend, drawing the ire of two of F1's most powerful men, F1 commercial rights holder and F1 management CEO Bernie Ecclestone and then-FIA president Jean-Marie Balestre. He denied apparent allegations that he had referred to Balestre as a Nazi (Balestre apparently was part of the pro-Nazi Vichy French military during World War II) and Ecclestone as a Mafia boss. Ecclestone then banned Van Rossem from attending any further Grands Prix
I think I recall an incident with someone putting a wishbone on the wrong way round ro maybe a tyre the wrong side or something forcing a retirement for an Onyx.
was a good car, one of the better back end cars of that time, certainly up there with Brabham and Leyton House and Ligier on their day, better than Eurobrun, Coloni, Osella certainly
was a good car, one of the better back end cars of that time, certainly up there with Brabham and Leyton House and Ligier on their day, better than Eurobrun, Coloni, Osella certainly
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