Hulkenberg. Wow.
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Zarco said:
Anyone shed any light on this? Wouldn't surprise me but I'm obviously not privy to the state of his tires at that stage in the race.
Hulkenberg stopped on lap 32 for hards, Stroll stopped one lap later, also for hards. They pitted Hulkenberg in on lap 44 for softs, Stroll ran to the end on his hards. To give an idea of what the tyres were capable of, Ocon pitted for hards on lap 22, Leclerc on lap 18 and both ran to the end. There was certainly no reason in terms of wear to change Hulkenberg's tyres when they did. The question will be whether there was something wrong with them (flat spot, slow puncture, etc). In terms of which tyres they fitted, I suspect the softs were the only ones they had left. I don't think he really lost out through being on the softs, it was the pitstop itself which cost him two places.
Edited by kambites on Monday 10th August 19:05
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?
He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?
He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I think it might be because he suddenly got an unexpected go in a car he'd never driven, and out qualified everyone except the Mercedes drivers. He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I hear you that he never managed to do anything special the rest of the time he was in F1. Some of that did appear rotten luck from what I vaguely recall.
Hulkenberg had options to stay on the grid but he had a salary expectation which was higher than the available seats paid.
It would be interesting to see if he is now willing to take a slight knock on the pay for the love of it. I agree with this thread, he is a proper driver, probably a match for half of the grid.
It would be interesting to see if he is now willing to take a slight knock on the pay for the love of it. I agree with this thread, he is a proper driver, probably a match for half of the grid.
sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?
He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
There's a saying that you make your own luck which by and large, holds true 99% of the time. Hulkenberg is the 1%.He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
HustleRussell said:
Hulkenberg had options to stay on the grid but he had a salary expectation which was higher than the available seats paid.
It would be interesting to see if he is now willing to take a slight knock on the pay for the love of it. I agree with this thread, he is a proper driver, probably a match for half of the grid.
AgreeIt would be interesting to see if he is now willing to take a slight knock on the pay for the love of it. I agree with this thread, he is a proper driver, probably a match for half of the grid.
My criticism of him would be that he has a tendancy to under-perform on Sundays
His qualifying has been pretty good against most team-mates with only BARichello (his 1st year) and RIC bettering him
I hope he gets another go, but preferably not with Haas (!) as he would almost certainly be at the tail end with a difficult car....
StevieBee said:
sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?
He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
There's a saying that you make your own luck which by and large, holds true 99% of the time. Hulkenberg is the 1%.He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He's just never been in the running. He's only finished 4th three times in the 9 full seasons that he raced.
He's fast over a single lap and last weekend was a good story. If I needed a reserve or possibly a test driver, he'd be on my list and I suspect he's better than some others on the grid towards the tail end.
But he is not some great overlooked talent that just never had the opportunities or lost them due to bad luck.
Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.
When he was interviewed after the race, Nico did say that his tyres were shot - perhaps he did not look after them?
He is Mr Niceguy, but without a Telmex paying for his drive, he will still have nowhere to go.
I can’t see Seb getting the Perez seat either, unless he will drive for $zero and bring in more sponsorship than Checo.
RP’s kitty is already €400,000 short for next year, and points mean prizes.
He is Mr Niceguy, but without a Telmex paying for his drive, he will still have nowhere to go.
I can’t see Seb getting the Perez seat either, unless he will drive for $zero and bring in more sponsorship than Checo.
RP’s kitty is already €400,000 short for next year, and points mean prizes.
rdjohn said:
When he was interviewed after the race, Nico did say that his tyres were shot - perhaps he did not look after them?
Looking at his lap times for his stints on racefans, it looks to me that his 2nd stint on the hard was going reasonably well (laps 27+), actually closing gap to the leader (when his team-mate wasn't) but then promptly pitted after only 15 laps. If he'd extended that stint, he probably wouldn't have needed the extra stop
Maybe they were shot, but seems a bit odd to me
Edited by MikeyC on Tuesday 11th August 09:37
rdjohn said:
When he was interviewed after the race, Nico did say that his tyres were shot - perhaps he did not look after them?
He is Mr Niceguy, but without a Telmex paying for his drive, he will still have nowhere to go.
I can’t see Seb getting the Perez seat either, unless he will drive for $zero and bring in more sponsorship than Checo.
RP’s kitty is already €400,000 short for next year, and points mean prizes.
I think that Lawrence Stroll can afford to cover the €400k......just about.He is Mr Niceguy, but without a Telmex paying for his drive, he will still have nowhere to go.
I can’t see Seb getting the Perez seat either, unless he will drive for $zero and bring in more sponsorship than Checo.
RP’s kitty is already €400,000 short for next year, and points mean prizes.
The Vettel deal is apparently done - they're just timing it so they don't look too callous with the Perez/COVID situation.
Muzzer79 said:
StevieBee said:
sgtBerbatov said:
What's with the sudden smoke blowing up his arse?
He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
There's a saying that you make your own luck which by and large, holds true 99% of the time. Hulkenberg is the 1%.He's had over 170 grand prix's and never made it to the podium when his team mates in the same machinery have. He's had all the chances anyone could wish for and he spent his career squandering it.
So no, he did well but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He's just never been in the running. He's only finished 4th three times in the 9 full seasons that he raced.
He's fast over a single lap and last weekend was a good story. If I needed a reserve or possibly a test driver, he'd be on my list and I suspect he's better than some others on the grid towards the tail end.
But he is not some great overlooked talent that just never had the opportunities or lost them due to bad luck.
Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.
And they talk about the pole he got with Williams. They forget though that the qualifying format was different then. The other drivers had gone out on a wet track that was drying. When he got to go out, he stuck some dry tyres on and got the pole. He was the last car out as well.
NAS said:
Muzzer79 said:
Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.
He did win plenty of championships /key races though, when he had a competitive car. A1GP, F3, GP2, Le Mans etc. What I'm saying is : I disagree.
Yeah, doesn't take too much investigation to find this stuff out
I think Ross Brawn would have been better to have not mentioned about considering him at MB - bit of a kick in the teeth for NH !
sgtBerbatov said:
Exactly.
And they talk about the pole he got with Williams. They forget though that the qualifying format was different then. The other drivers had gone out on a wet track that was drying. When he got to go out, he stuck some dry tyres on and got the pole. He was the last car out as well.
The qualifying format was the same knockout format that is still used now, so all the top ten cars were out on track at the same time.And they talk about the pole he got with Williams. They forget though that the qualifying format was different then. The other drivers had gone out on a wet track that was drying. When he got to go out, he stuck some dry tyres on and got the pole. He was the last car out as well.
The first two sessions and the first minutes of the final session were run on a damp circuit, and as such, drivers used intermediate compound tyres. After lap times were 108 per cent slower than in dry weather, every driver changed to dry weather tyres with five minutes to go when a dry line emerged and increased grip.
The difference was that he was the first to change from inters to slicks, so he had more time on them to get up to speed, but he was still over a second faster than anyone else.
MikeyC said:
NAS said:
Muzzer79 said:
Cold, hard truth is that he's just not quick enough.
He did win plenty of championships /key races though, when he had a competitive car. A1GP, F3, GP2, Le Mans etc. What I'm saying is : I disagree.
Yeah, doesn't take too much investigation to find this stuff out
I think Ross Brawn would have been better to have not mentioned about considering him at MB - bit of a kick in the teeth for NH !
Plenty of drivers were quick in GP2 but couldn’t cut it in F1.
Davide Valsecchi, Giorgio Pantano & Jolyon Palmer to name but three.
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