Ecclestone docuseries out this month
Discussion
HocusPocus said:
Difference between Lewis and Bernie is Lewis has not be placed in the dock by HMRC. Crimbo tax fraud trial set down for Bernie for allegedly failing to declare a mega Singaporean trust fund when under HMRC investigation procedure.
Reminds me of Sir Lester Piggott who went through a HMRC tax investigation and settled the tab with a cheque drawn on his Swiss bank account he forgot to mention before. Stripped of Sir after that.
It's Bernie... He'll get out of it one way or another. Or he'll just hole up in Brazil where there happens to be no extradition.Reminds me of Sir Lester Piggott who went through a HMRC tax investigation and settled the tab with a cheque drawn on his Swiss bank account he forgot to mention before. Stripped of Sir after that.
Chances are his lawyers are already working on a deal to lessen the charges and put it all down to a silly mistake. I'm fairly sure he can afford to write whatever cheque is required to make it a win-win for him and the civil servants.
No one knows exactly what alien species Bernie is, but we do know that they're incredibly slippery, have the ability to magnetise money and can breed into their late 80's. Normal human outcomes don't seem to apply to this strange being when they get into a bit of a tight spot either.
Merry Christmas Bernie, well done on a life spent being an actual cartoon villain and caddish git. You have no equal, apart from perhaps that spanky chap
sideways man said:
SnowySpeeder said:
An excellent interview, really enjoyed that. Love him or hate him, he is an interesting character.
TheDeuce said:
HocusPocus said:
Difference between Lewis and Bernie is Lewis has not be placed in the dock by HMRC. Crimbo tax fraud trial set down for Bernie for allegedly failing to declare a mega Singaporean trust fund when under HMRC investigation procedure.
Reminds me of Sir Lester Piggott who went through a HMRC tax investigation and settled the tab with a cheque drawn on his Swiss bank account he forgot to mention before. Stripped of Sir after that.
It's Bernie... He'll get out of it one way or another. Or he'll just hole up in Brazil where there happens to be no extradition.Reminds me of Sir Lester Piggott who went through a HMRC tax investigation and settled the tab with a cheque drawn on his Swiss bank account he forgot to mention before. Stripped of Sir after that.
Chances are his lawyers are already working on a deal to lessen the charges and put it all down to a silly mistake. I'm fairly sure he can afford to write whatever cheque is required to make it a win-win for him and the civil servants.
No one knows exactly what alien species Bernie is, but we do know that they're incredibly slippery, have the ability to magnetise money and can breed into their late 80's. Normal human outcomes don't seem to apply to this strange being when they get into a bit of a tight spot either.
Merry Christmas Bernie, well done on a life spent being an actual cartoon villain and caddish git. You have no equal, apart from perhaps that spanky chap
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Frogmella said:
You bought it up mate.
What the bloody hell does Lewis paying more tax than Bernie have to do with a Bernie documentary?
I am aware as I also reside and earn in 2 countries
Good that you are aware, so why did you bring up What the bloody hell does Lewis paying more tax than Bernie have to do with a Bernie documentary?
I am aware as I also reside and earn in 2 countries
Frogmella said:
Is that the same Lewis who lived in Monaco and had some shady tax offset on his private jet?
Implying that Lewis should be cast in the same light as Bernie around tax matters.My original inclusion was to try to prevent silly comments around Lewis' tax matters. It seems I failed.
MustangGT said:
Frogmella said:
You bought it up mate.
What the bloody hell does Lewis paying more tax than Bernie have to do with a Bernie documentary?
I am aware as I also reside and earn in 2 countries
Good that you are aware, so why did you bring up What the bloody hell does Lewis paying more tax than Bernie have to do with a Bernie documentary?
I am aware as I also reside and earn in 2 countries
Frogmella said:
Is that the same Lewis who lived in Monaco and had some shady tax offset on his private jet?
Implying that Lewis should be cast in the same light as Bernie around tax matters.My original inclusion was to try to prevent silly comments around Lewis' tax matters. It seems I failed.
pablo said:
Just two pages before Lewis gets a mention, a slating and compared to a man who would take a bullet for Putin… stay classy pistonheads….
It really is so, so weird, but sadly happens in almost every F1-related discussion. There are Twitter users putting together compilations of mistakes/mishaps from Hamilton's long career in an effort to minimise his driving abilities. It's inexplicable behaviour.I listened to the Collecting Cars podcast before watching the documentary and Manish Pandey summed up Bernie as a wheeler dealer and is essentially the gist of the series. How Bernie got into F1 from being a wheeler dealer car salesman to his dealings in F1.
As has been mentioned earlier it's Bernie's story told how he wishes it to be told so be prepared to be disappointed if you're expecting a warts n all, tell all account of his ruthlessness because if he did he'd most likely be incriminating himself.
The story of Bernie and F1 is also a history of F1 and the two intertwined with superb archive footage from the 1950s onwards and arguably way too much as I am immediately wondering what the documentary is meant to be the history of: Bernie or F1? So I skipped to the last two episodes (post-Senna) when Bernie was at his most greediest - even if the banks were his boss.
The bond issue was to benefit Slavica and the family (via trust) due to complications with his health at the time but no mention of Max Mosely granting commercial rights of F1 to BCE for a hundred years.
His biggest regret was his divorce to Slavica because he spent so much time with F1.
At then end he call himself lucky in life. Yeah, right...
As has been mentioned earlier it's Bernie's story told how he wishes it to be told so be prepared to be disappointed if you're expecting a warts n all, tell all account of his ruthlessness because if he did he'd most likely be incriminating himself.
The story of Bernie and F1 is also a history of F1 and the two intertwined with superb archive footage from the 1950s onwards and arguably way too much as I am immediately wondering what the documentary is meant to be the history of: Bernie or F1? So I skipped to the last two episodes (post-Senna) when Bernie was at his most greediest - even if the banks were his boss.
The bond issue was to benefit Slavica and the family (via trust) due to complications with his health at the time but no mention of Max Mosely granting commercial rights of F1 to BCE for a hundred years.
His biggest regret was his divorce to Slavica because he spent so much time with F1.
At then end he call himself lucky in life. Yeah, right...
Just finished watching all the episodes.
Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
entropy said:
Just finished watching all the episodes.
Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
I would not waste my time on a Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
of such miniscule proportions...PhilAsia said:
entropy said:
Just finished watching all the episodes.
Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
I would not waste my time on a Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
of such miniscule proportions...d amongst bds - the biggest one certainly, but one of many (check out Frank Williams eyes during an interview asking about Damon Hill's contract - scary as f@@k).The bulk of the show features the 50's, 60's. 70's and 80's and it's perhaps easy to forget just how brave these men were, how cheap their lives were at times and how amateurish the show was at times. BE seems to have been affected hugely by Jochen Rindt's death for example as they were friends. Reminiscing about it, Ecclestone appears to be almost human.
So, if you hate him that much then it's obviously not for you, but the footage and the insights provided over the series, for me, make up for the distaste.
CSNY said:
Then you'd be denying yourself a unique journey through F1 history, as most of the series isn't necessarily focussed on BE. I have no doubt regarding his moral shortcomings, but as the series hints at, he was certainly not the only unscrupulous individual involved in the game. There are some telling clips (Schumacher, Williams, Dennis, Briatori etc) in the show that illustrate that BE was a bd amongst bds - the biggest one certainly, but one of many (check out Frank Williams eyes during an interview asking about Damon Hill's contract - scary as f@@k).
The bulk of the show features the 50's, 60's. 70's and 80's and it's perhaps easy to forget just how brave these men were, how cheap their lives were at times and how amateurish the show was at times. BE seems to have been affected hugely by Jochen Rindt's death for example as they were friends. Reminiscing about it, Ecclestone appears to be almost human.
So, if you hate him that much then it's obviously not for you, but the footage and the insights provided over the series, for me, make up for the distaste.
Agree, I think this series is superb.d amongst bds - the biggest one certainly, but one of many (check out Frank Williams eyes during an interview asking about Damon Hill's contract - scary as f@@k).The bulk of the show features the 50's, 60's. 70's and 80's and it's perhaps easy to forget just how brave these men were, how cheap their lives were at times and how amateurish the show was at times. BE seems to have been affected hugely by Jochen Rindt's death for example as they were friends. Reminiscing about it, Ecclestone appears to be almost human.
So, if you hate him that much then it's obviously not for you, but the footage and the insights provided over the series, for me, make up for the distaste.
CSNY said:
PhilAsia said:
entropy said:
Just finished watching all the episodes.
Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
I would not waste my time on a Incidentally, following the recent passing of Philippe Streiff there are clips of the drivers briefing following Streiff’s life changing accident the drivers pushed Balestre for their fines to be donated to Streiff and Balestre, unsurprisingly, was against this.
What I found interesting was the 70s and 80s and the rise of Bernie the promoter and F1 politics of those decades; from owning the Brabham team, becoming involved with F1CO (later changed to FOCA after Balestre remarked F1CA pronounced as fica is a rude Italian word), battles with the promoters, CSI, FISA-FOCA war. From then on the documentary is more focused on audience figures and mini-season reviews of tight WDC contests which helped boost ratings.
When Bernie proposed the idea that F1 teams should run the sport at a F1CA meeting it was dismissed because, as he paraphrased it: ‘we just to want to run our teams’ in a childish, mocking tone. The impression one gets is that he looks down on the team owners who could have greater control and run the sport. In the 2000s BCE claims he gave the teams an opportunity to own the F1 company but the teams just want to compete. I get the impression Bernie resents the teams not wanting in not wanting ownership of F1.
Omissions that sprung to mind:
Most surprisingly the invitation of Prof Sid Watkins to F1. No doubt Bernie played a part in helping to make F1 and motorsport safer.
BRDC conflict.
The cross F1-WSPC 3.5L engine formula though admitted to help push Max into FIA presidency to help F1.
Max awarding Bernie F1’s commercial rights for 100 years.
A must watch? Probably not despite the remarkable footage of 60 years of the F1 World Championship we’re most likely better off when BCE will be no longer with us and for a number of stories to come from journalists and others who have dealt with Bernie to get an idea of the man other than a wheeler dealer.
of such miniscule proportions...d amongst bds - the biggest one certainly, but one of many (check out Frank Williams eyes during an interview asking about Damon Hill's contract - scary as f@@k).The bulk of the show features the 50's, 60's. 70's and 80's and it's perhaps easy to forget just how brave these men were, how cheap their lives were at times and how amateurish the show was at times. BE seems to have been affected hugely by Jochen Rindt's death for example as they were friends. Reminiscing about it, Ecclestone appears to be almost human.
So, if you hate him that much then it's obviously not for you, but the footage and the insights provided over the series, for me, make up for the distaste.
Just started this. The quality of some of the archive footage is amazing.
Anyone who thinks Bernie says what he thinks is playing a fool's game. He says what's controversial in order to get publicity, much like Ryanair's Michael O'Leary who comes up with crap like standing room only planes and £1 to use the toilet.
Anyone who thinks Bernie says what he thinks is playing a fool's game. He says what's controversial in order to get publicity, much like Ryanair's Michael O'Leary who comes up with crap like standing room only planes and £1 to use the toilet.
If somebody says they'd take a bullet for Putin - in 2022 for God's sake - forgive me if the subtle nuance and mischief eludes me . I loathe the fawning adoration so many show to the man , as if saying -'Oh , you know, it's just Bernie being Bernie ' was some sort of get out of jail free card . Not in my book it isn't.
I heard a recent Collecting Cars podcast where Manish Pandey was interviewed about the film . (forgive if mentioned already) . A fascinating listen - but I remain bemused why such an obviously smart and likable man as him can fall so in thrall to Ecclestone .
I heard a recent Collecting Cars podcast where Manish Pandey was interviewed about the film . (forgive if mentioned already) . A fascinating listen - but I remain bemused why such an obviously smart and likable man as him can fall so in thrall to Ecclestone .
Edited by coppice on Thursday 5th January 07:33
Putin has had lots of tentacles in F1, which he may have used to layer (disguise) corrupt funds in plain sight. Plenty of opportunity for Bernie to do very well out of Putin. Gérard Lopez, formerly Lotus shareholder was reported to be a Putin financier placing Russian money into deals.
So maybe Bernie's willingness to take a bullet for Putin is really him saying he has no wish to go airborne from a 5th floor hospital window or suffer some other mysterious terminal misfortune.
So maybe Bernie's willingness to take a bullet for Putin is really him saying he has no wish to go airborne from a 5th floor hospital window or suffer some other mysterious terminal misfortune.
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