Massa 2008 World Champion?
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honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
I didn't write the article guv' so point your ire towards Bernie/the journo. 
On the pic, irrelevant to this thread so I'll refer you to my answer when someone posted it on the AD21 thread, happy hunting.
But PhilAsia is on the Hamilton payroll
Call me cynical, but:
Piquet, now close to the red bull/Verstappen camp through family, found guilty of using racist language to disparage Hamilton.
Within a week or two, Piquet’s long term friend, Ecclestone happens to mention in public that they knew that Renault cheated in 2008 and failed to act address the cheating.
Massa (innocent in terms of the scheming) then does exactly what was required of him.
Piquet, now close to the red bull/Verstappen camp through family, found guilty of using racist language to disparage Hamilton.
Within a week or two, Piquet’s long term friend, Ecclestone happens to mention in public that they knew that Renault cheated in 2008 and failed to act address the cheating.
Massa (innocent in terms of the scheming) then does exactly what was required of him.
usn90 said:
So for the “good of the sport” this was shelved.
Not that it will, but IF massa got his way I’d fully expect Lewis to take the 2021 championship legal, so he’d be no worse of in terms of count
But surely if he went legal and they annulled AD then Max would still be champion as he had more wins.Not that it will, but IF massa got his way I’d fully expect Lewis to take the 2021 championship legal, so he’d be no worse of in terms of count
Would be interesting to see what would happen on PH he Massa were to win were he to go forward, i think this section of the site would implode
Hamilton crossed the line first in Spa that year and had the win taken away post race in one of the most ridiculous stewarding decisions I can remember.
The argument was that he hadn't sufficiently handed the place back to raikkonen after cutting the last chicane before re overtaking him.
Fair enough I guess. But half way round the following lap Hamilton was forced onto the grass by a slow moving back marker and Raikkonen retook the lead. Raikkonen then led for 1 corner before doing a 360 pirouette and handing the lead back to Hamilton. 3 corners later raikkonen bins it. So Hamilton did relinquish the place fully by going onto the grass, I could never understand why that part was never mentioned. Even in the ensuing court case I don't remember it being referenced.
That 'win' for Massa was an absolute robbery.
The argument was that he hadn't sufficiently handed the place back to raikkonen after cutting the last chicane before re overtaking him.
Fair enough I guess. But half way round the following lap Hamilton was forced onto the grass by a slow moving back marker and Raikkonen retook the lead. Raikkonen then led for 1 corner before doing a 360 pirouette and handing the lead back to Hamilton. 3 corners later raikkonen bins it. So Hamilton did relinquish the place fully by going onto the grass, I could never understand why that part was never mentioned. Even in the ensuing court case I don't remember it being referenced.
That 'win' for Massa was an absolute robbery.
I think Bernie would do well to keep his head down and mouth shut. What an absolute farce this sport has become.
With reference to 2021, there were more incidents than Abu Dhabi that would warrant a good legal review, Spa and Saudi Arabia for starters….
With reference to 2021, there were more incidents than Abu Dhabi that would warrant a good legal review, Spa and Saudi Arabia for starters….
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 4th April 21:29
GiantCardboardPlato said:
Call me cynical, but:
Piquet, now close to the red bull/Verstappen camp through family, found guilty of using racist language to disparage Hamilton.
Within a week or two, Piquet’s long term friend, Ecclestone happens to mention in public that they knew that Renault cheated in 2008 and failed to act address the cheating.
Massa (innocent in terms of the scheming) then does exactly what was required of him.
Don't think you're the only one who can see the uppity Lewis trying to be cynically brought down by those that have never accepted Lewis' sporting superiority, just because of...., well, "you know"... Piquet, now close to the red bull/Verstappen camp through family, found guilty of using racist language to disparage Hamilton.
Within a week or two, Piquet’s long term friend, Ecclestone happens to mention in public that they knew that Renault cheated in 2008 and failed to act address the cheating.
Massa (innocent in terms of the scheming) then does exactly what was required of him.
I think this is a shame. I felt that Massa handled his dejection magnificently, congratulating Hamilton despite believing, for a few seconds, that he was WDC. Makes you wonder if Hamilton learned dignity in defeat from him when he congratulated Verstappen as WDC. I was impressed by Massa then, but disappointed by his actions now.
Great race, great championship that wasn't settled until the final race, the final lap, the final corner. Good memories.
Great race, great championship that wasn't settled until the final race, the final lap, the final corner. Good memories.
AWRacing said:
usn90 said:
So for the “good of the sport” this was shelved.
Not that it will, but IF massa got his way I’d fully expect Lewis to take the 2021 championship legal, so he’d be no worse of in terms of count
But surely if he went legal and they annulled AD then Max would still be champion as he had more wins.Not that it will, but IF massa got his way I’d fully expect Lewis to take the 2021 championship legal, so he’d be no worse of in terms of count
Would be interesting to see what would happen on PH he Massa were to win were he to go forward, i think this section of the site would implode
Derek Smith said:
I think this is a shame. I felt that Massa handled his dejection magnificently, congratulating Hamilton despite believing, for a few seconds, that he was WDC. Makes you wonder if Hamilton learned dignity in defeat from him when he congratulated Verstappen as WDC. I was impressed by Massa then, but disappointed by his actions now.
Great race, great championship that wasn't settled until the final race, the final lap, the final corner. Good memories.
Completely agree, also never trust anything that Bernie says, especially now.Great race, great championship that wasn't settled until the final race, the final lap, the final corner. Good memories.
I take everything Bernie says with a pinch of salt, more over I don't pay any heed to it at all.
He's had a genuine dislike of LH for some time and I wouldn't be surprised if this is a load of wallop he's talking about just to throw him in the fire again.
If theres any truth to it, you open up a massive web of lies throughout every single F1 season. How far do you take it.
Easy for me to say - but I wouldn't even entertain it if I was Massa, borders on desperation to me, but then I've never had a potential WDC either.
He's had a genuine dislike of LH for some time and I wouldn't be surprised if this is a load of wallop he's talking about just to throw him in the fire again.
If theres any truth to it, you open up a massive web of lies throughout every single F1 season. How far do you take it.
Easy for me to say - but I wouldn't even entertain it if I was Massa, borders on desperation to me, but then I've never had a potential WDC either.
GMT13 said:
Hamilton crossed the line first in Spa that year and had the win taken away post race in one of the most ridiculous stewarding decisions I can remember.
The argument was that he hadn't sufficiently handed the place back to raikkonen after cutting the last chicane before re overtaking him.
Fair enough I guess. But half way round the following lap Hamilton was forced onto the grass by a slow moving back marker and Raikkonen retook the lead. Raikkonen then led for 1 corner before doing a 360 pirouette and handing the lead back to Hamilton. 3 corners later raikkonen bins it. So Hamilton did relinquish the place fully by going onto the grass, I could never understand why that part was never mentioned. Even in the ensuing court case I don't remember it being referenced.
That 'win' for Massa was an absolute robbery.
Here's a graph I made of the cumulative points totals by round, for reference:The argument was that he hadn't sufficiently handed the place back to raikkonen after cutting the last chicane before re overtaking him.
Fair enough I guess. But half way round the following lap Hamilton was forced onto the grass by a slow moving back marker and Raikkonen retook the lead. Raikkonen then led for 1 corner before doing a 360 pirouette and handing the lead back to Hamilton. 3 corners later raikkonen bins it. So Hamilton did relinquish the place fully by going onto the grass, I could never understand why that part was never mentioned. Even in the ensuing court case I don't remember it being referenced.
That 'win' for Massa was an absolute robbery.
After five rounds, Kimi lead by seven points
In Monaco, Hamilton lead
After Kubica's tremendous win in Canada, he then took the lead
Massa then lead after France, before demonstrating that he couldn't drive for s
t in the rain at Silverstone and Hamilton's win resulted in a three way tie in the championship after half the races!Hamilton then pulled away after the win in Germany where he stayed till the end of the season
Kimi's stinking run between the European and Singapore really cost him. Could you make a convincing argument the greater reason Massa didn't win the Championship that year was because he had such a strong teammate in Kimi?
He had 10 fastest laps that year including in Belgium, Italy and Singapore, where he scored no points...
Olivera said:
Didn't Hamilton recently allude to the result of the 2007 season being bent?
not recently, but in a 2012 interview when Mark Hughes asked if he knew what happened in Brasil - “I didn’t know at the time. But I do now. It’s not something I can talk about.”https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-mysterious-loss...
i imagine we'll know when Bernie's deal with the devil expires & he pops off
can anyone explain why the race would be annulled, rather than just quoting Bernie? ...i get annulling races/ competitions/ results for procedural errors or even deliberate fixing by officials (although even in the 2005 German match fixing scandal the results still stood) - but annulling results because of a fellow competitor cheating?- good luck with that Felipe, you'd have better luck suing Bernie directly (which might be the plan)
GMT13 said:
Hamilton crossed the line first in Spa that year and had the win taken away post race in one of the most ridiculous stewarding decisions I can remember.
The argument was that he hadn't sufficiently handed the place back to raikkonen after cutting the last chicane before re overtaking him.
Fair enough I guess. But half way round the following lap Hamilton was forced onto the grass by a slow moving back marker and Raikkonen retook the lead. Raikkonen then led for 1 corner before doing a 360 pirouette and handing the lead back to Hamilton. 3 corners later raikkonen bins it. So Hamilton did relinquish the place fully by going onto the grass, I could never understand why that part was never mentioned. Even in the ensuing court case I don't remember it being referenced.
That 'win' for Massa was an absolute robbery.
One of many robberies that the stewards did that season to help Massa/Ferrari. It was a season of outrageously corrupt stewarding and Massa would have been a completely undeserving champion. Considering how Max and Bernie took the sport through mud during those years, the "for the good of the sport" has a snow balls chance in hell of passing the laugh test. The argument was that he hadn't sufficiently handed the place back to raikkonen after cutting the last chicane before re overtaking him.
Fair enough I guess. But half way round the following lap Hamilton was forced onto the grass by a slow moving back marker and Raikkonen retook the lead. Raikkonen then led for 1 corner before doing a 360 pirouette and handing the lead back to Hamilton. 3 corners later raikkonen bins it. So Hamilton did relinquish the place fully by going onto the grass, I could never understand why that part was never mentioned. Even in the ensuing court case I don't remember it being referenced.
That 'win' for Massa was an absolute robbery.
Edited by Finlandese on Wednesday 5th April 11:05
Edited by Finlandese on Wednesday 5th April 12:33
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