Sebastian Vettel
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Steamer said:
Paul De'Resta just making the comment 'There will always be a place for a 4 time WDC.. even if Racing Point do already have two signed drivers'
Might mean something.. or nothing.
It means PDR is talking crap as usual. Still baffles me how a guy who cant string a coherent sentence together gets a pundit job.Might mean something.. or nothing.
stemll said:
vaud said:
jsf said:
Perez is fast, brings lots of money and has a 3 year contract.
Stroll, well you know the answer to that one.
There is no seat at RP.
Stroll Senior is a canny business man. He would push his son to Le Mans, etc if he could get a 4x WDC... Stroll, well you know the answer to that one.
There is no seat at RP.
glazbagun said:
He gets on well with Kimi who part owns Alfa and is less rich. Bromance retirement team?
Too many Ferrari links for that to happen.paulguitar said:
Yes, Prost was an astonishingly good driver.
Who after his time at McLaren was afraid of taking on Senna in equal machinery...All of the record breaking drivers have typically enjoyed the best cars of the time. It's the nature of it; top teams want top drivers and vice versa. Arguably for the top drivers, finding yourself in the right team at the right time is equally as important a skill as being able to drive quickly. Over a season a great driver in a poor car can't beat an average driver in a great one.
kiseca said:
Not at all, but you said "afraid to take him on in equal machinery". It's your reason that I'm challenging, not the action.
If Senna were in a different team, Prost would have had to interact with Senna in F1 in any case and deal with his shenanigans. He didn't want to share a car because he didn't feel he could beat Senna in the same car and team.I'm no massive Senna fan either, he was a paranoid hypocrite (except on the issue of Balestre, who was as bent as a 5 franc note).
kiseca said:
Keke had a lot of respect for Prost after that season and predicted that Senna was going to get his butt kicked when he went to McLaren in 1988. Didn't quite turn out like that but often hear stories of Prost's deceptive speed.
To be fair to Keke, he seemed on the pace at the last race of the season, and before that, he'd been struggling with a car that had been designed by John Barnard, who in his book has stated he thinks a race car should have a very planted rear axle and lots of traction - so his cars understeer - and then developed for Prost, who also preferred a bit of understeer. So I think Keke had to come to terms with a car that was the opposite of what he prefers, and a chief designer who wasn't that open to his opinion.
Barnard had a similar problem with Schumacher. Felt he was "wrong" to prefer the V12 car, because it gave him more engine braking which allowed him to move the back of the car more.
Then again, about Prost's smooth style, I think it was Jo Ramirez who said at the end of that Australian GP, which Keke didn't finish - puncture I think - and Prost won, Keke's brakes looked like they wouldn't have lasted to the end of the race, but Prost's brakes looked good enough to do another race!
Brake wear on a racecar is often worse when the driver isn't aggressive, the best way to use them is very hard over the shortest distance possible. It's one of the areas of racecar driving you have to work on as a new driver. Drivers who have brake issues tend to use them too gently, extending the application time which ramps up heat and wear.To be fair to Keke, he seemed on the pace at the last race of the season, and before that, he'd been struggling with a car that had been designed by John Barnard, who in his book has stated he thinks a race car should have a very planted rear axle and lots of traction - so his cars understeer - and then developed for Prost, who also preferred a bit of understeer. So I think Keke had to come to terms with a car that was the opposite of what he prefers, and a chief designer who wasn't that open to his opinion.
Barnard had a similar problem with Schumacher. Felt he was "wrong" to prefer the V12 car, because it gave him more engine braking which allowed him to move the back of the car more.
Then again, about Prost's smooth style, I think it was Jo Ramirez who said at the end of that Australian GP, which Keke didn't finish - puncture I think - and Prost won, Keke's brakes looked like they wouldn't have lasted to the end of the race, but Prost's brakes looked good enough to do another race!
thegreenhell said:
Red Bull will want the two fastest drivers on their books in the fastest cars, in order to maximise their championship potential. Seb won't go to Alpha Tauri. It makes no sense for either Seb or the team.
Red Bull is ultimately all about exposure of their product to the market.Vettel to RB and the disaster for Seb that would follow would produce far more exposure than Albon driving.
CH will want the fastest drivers who can bring home points and wins, DM will want the big stories.
It would be mad to take Seb based on his driving, but thats not the whole picture for a team like RB.
SmoothCriminal said:
Hopefully Red Bull do bring him home, Albon is there because they had no body else so can't see why they wouldn't rid him at the first opportunity.
He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
Far too hard on Alex, he has put in some good drives and should have won the first race but for making a small mistake.He is miles off the pace, likes to spin a lot and is the worst of the new arrivals that have come into one of the big teams.
Yes Vettel has had a shocker but he is a 4 times WDC, Ferrari has chewed up and spat out 2 muti WDC in the modern era, I think if he went somewhere else he would excel again.
Lets see how he fares after a few more races, he was miles better than Gasly last year and was in his first F1 season.
KevinCamaroSS said:
HustleRussell said:
Short memory! Vettel was pretty good under pressure during his Red Bull years...
What pressure was that? His car was more than 1 second/lap faster than any others, his team-mate was generally not allowed to compete. The one year he did have a competing team-mate he blew apart (against Ricciardo).
Kraken said:
Drivers don't design the car but they have a huge role to play in the tuning and development of the car once it's a physical entity.
Their job is to maximise the tools the engineers give them, some cars have a bigger window than others for the driver to work with the race engineer to maximise the performance of that package in the window it allows. This is where one driver can shine in the team, as they can maximise the window the car allows. The design itself is based entirely on maximising the potential available under the rules, they have hundreds of engineers and hundreds of sensor outputs to do this. The rules are extremely restrictive in this regard now, even mandating the weight distribution allowed, this will be mandated to ensure the tyre design remains within its safe window.The performance is mostly Aero generated these days, the basic design characteristics of the mechanical side suspension geometry is absolutely horrible compared to a traditional non aero dominated formula car. Powertrain is next, but even that is compromised by the big aero decisions.
Whenever a team makes a big step forward, it's always because the engineers created something, the days of drivers influencing the performance of the core product are long gone. This is why plugging in a top driver like Alonso into a dog of a car McLaren made no difference, even over multiple seasons. The basic speed of the car is all about the engineering. Even this weekend with damage to his car, Verstappen couldn't really tell the difference, the engineers could see it on the data though.
The best we can hope for is that each team creates an equally good car, then we get to see some racing. You could plug Russell into the Mercedes and he would win races immediately, his feedback is never going to get Williams to the front because it's all about the cars engineering staff and the money they have to spend on development.
Last i'll say on this because it seems some people cant accept this and its boring going round in circles.
Fundoreen said:
Vettel to tracing point and every pundit is saying perez will be the one moves as the other driver is the bosses son.
Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
If Stroll snr was in this for F1 and not to indulge his son, he’d have dumped him a long time ago. Only in a corrupt nepotistic world would that be the case. Is that how big stroll wants to be seen?
I would think he has indulged his son enough and its about him taking the team to the top with the best drivers.
So crazy onboard footage boy may be the one on the move.
Could be wrong as maybe Alonso turned the job down as he didn't want to displace Perez.
Doubt Aston Martin will sell another car in the americas if its perez out.
The biggest thing against Vettel going to RP is that the son will be made to look even worse.
I wonder if there's any other reason why Perez would say nice things about Stroll? 
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